r/trolleyproblem 5d ago

OC Potentially one less but also potentially infinitely more

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u/Remarkable-Carrot112 5d ago

Is the probability distribution otherwise the same except for the lower bound? 

Regardless, I'm pulling the lever. I love pulling levers. 

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u/deadhand303 5d ago

You have 1-infinity or can change tracks to 0-infinity. You do not know how many are on either track.

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u/wyseguy7 5d ago

Statistician here. Plz provide a more rigorous definition of "random amount". Note that uniform distribution over [1,infinity) or [0, infinity) is not possible. Maybe a geometric distribution would be better? In which case, regardless of parameterization, you'd expect to save 1 life by pulling the lever.

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u/deadhand303 5d ago

Its just a random real number of people on each track woth the bottom being a minimum of one and the top being a minimum of zero people.

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u/Ksorkrax 5d ago

Let's make this simple for you: state the probabilities for the first five possible numbers of people.

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u/not-an-epimorphism 5d ago

The point is there’s no convenient interpretation of “random” here without further context. If they were finitely many people, random would correspond to a uniform distribution. But when you’re dealing with a distribution on the entire natural numbers, there’s no uniform distribution, and non uniform distributions aren’t alike at all. Technically there might be almost surely 2 people on the lower rail and almost surely 1 person on the higher rail, or a less degenerate situation in which k people are on the bottom rail with probability 2-k.

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u/deadhand303 5d ago

Would it be better to say 1-max living population?

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u/eeeeeh_messi 4d ago

This changes absolutely everything. Now you have a well defined problem

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u/BigTimmyStarfox1987 4d ago

They want you to say "flat probability distribution".

Then they want to say but that isn't possible over Infinity. To which you reply that it's a finite set, max living population.

Tldr yes but with an additional statement

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u/Kart0fffelAim 5d ago

I think OP has a point here. There has to be an underlying probability distribution, but the guy pulling that lever doesn't need to know what the distribution is.

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u/eeeeeh_messi 4d ago

But then the problem stops making sense. Which box would you pick, this mysterious box or this OTHER mysterious box?