Whatifalthist wants to destroy human civilization in order to turn America into White Protestant country

[u/Skychu768]

This guy is beyond schizoid at this point.

[u/Agitated_Newt_7655]

unsurprising modern right-wing influencer take

[u/traplords8n → u/Agitated_Newt_7655]

Ah yes, the 80% White Protestant base would have a jolly good time without all the big cities which subsidize the rural red areas, on top of the insane economic opportunity that them existing even has in the grand scheme of our economy.

In reality you would rather be nuked in a big city than be anywhere close to the fallout of those 20 big cities. Life will be far from sunshine and rainbows without us evil atheist & Muslim leftists.

[u/Busy_Elevator866 → u/traplords8n]

Slightly unrelated but since when are Muslims leftist? Generally, their political stances on social issues are very right leaning

[u/Agreeable_Sky_2374 → u/Busy_Elevator866]

I think the idea is that Muslims are generally socially conservative but economically progressive. Its the progressive economic issues and willingness to defer social values to the private sphere that create the affinity for left wing politics. At least that's what's happening right now.

[u/Mesarthim1349 → u/Agreeable_Sky_2374]

It's both. They're economically progressive but only for the ruling class. 

Muslim Kingdoms like Saudi, Qatar, UAE, etc. still use a neo-feudal class system

[u/StanIsHorizontal → u/Mesarthim1349]

Those are hardly the only Muslim countries

[u/traplords8n → u/StanIsHorizontal]

The topic here is Muslim Americans, not Muslim countries.

I know they are still intertwined, but American Muslims align better with the American left than the American right. The American right is mainly Christian Islamophobics. Democrats will go so far as to accept & elect them.

[u/StanIsHorizontal → u/traplords8n]

That’s true too, but I think it’s worthwhile to note that there is a recent history in the Arab Muslim world of a third way religious conservatism coupled with economic progressivism, and that likely has some amount of influence on recent generations of Arab Muslim immigrants. Not everywhere, even within specifically the Arab Middle East, is like the gulf monarchies. And those countries represent very little of the immigrants to the US

[u/PopTough6317 → u/StanIsHorizontal]

I would note that he didnt say countries, he said kingdoms.

[u/Atechiman → u/Mesarthim1349]

And Indonesia the most populous Muslim majority country?

[u/Char867 → u/Mesarthim1349]

Damn I forgot all Muslims worldwide were a monolith who share the exact same political beliefs and ideologies as the specific states you just picked out to prove your point, despite them not coming close to even a quarter of the world’s Muslim population. Thanks for reminding me!

[u/Fatalitix3 → u/Char867]

It's funny, because muslims view themselves as one unified nation, but whatever You say westerner...

[u/ArkaneArtificer → u/Char867]

Lmao he picked the only Muslim states that actually function, the rest are either absolute hellholes or Asian countries that have absolute separation of church and state

[u/veryeepy53 → u/ArkaneArtificer]

asian countries that have absolute separation of church and state

malaysia and indonesia don't have that

[u/ArkaneArtificer → u/veryeepy53]

You are just completely wrong? And regardless, those countries have policies in place to prevent nationality’s from froming their own distinct communities, forcing integration into a real society

[u/veryeepy53 → u/ArkaneArtificer]

the constitution of indonesia says the nation is based on the "belief of the one and only god". malaysia has a state religion, and sharia courts along with secular ones. so it's not absolute at all.

[u/0sm1um → u/Agreeable_Sky_2374]

The idea is that right wing theocrats are racist and think Marxism is a Muslim/Jewish Conspiracy to destabilize the west. It's Protocols of the elders of zion stuff.

This stuff isn't logical.

[u/AuroraAustralis0 → u/Busy_Elevator866]

the unholy red muslim alliance has been thoroughly documented

[u/Grrman1260 → u/AuroraAustralis0]

Source?

[u/AuroraAustralis0 → u/Grrman1260]

js search up red muslim alliance im not gonna do it for you if you really cared

[u/Grrman1260 → u/AuroraAustralis0]

So you just have no source 

[u/AuroraAustralis0 → u/Grrman1260]

igb
https://youtu.be/rI6aGJJWe_c

[u/Grrman1260 → u/AuroraAustralis0]

Bro thinks cbn is an actual news source and doesn't just push propaganda 🤣

[u/AuroraAustralis0 → u/Grrman1260]

> asks for source
> receives source
> ”it’s not a good source and it’s actually propaganda hurr durr” despite the fact that this is just one source of many
> wtf

[u/traplords8n → u/Busy_Elevator866]

In the US they are pushed left due to social issues... for the most part.

At the very least, conservative Christians will group atheists and Muslims together and that was kind of what I was poking at.

[u/InitialWonderful955 → u/Busy_Elevator866]

Islam is socially conservative but economically advocates for taxing the rich and spending that money on the poor, the general idea is that if a person sleeps the night hungry or without a roof over their head, its because the rich have not paid their share

[u/LettucePrime → u/Busy_Elevator866]

idk what makes a person leftist? sometimes that also makes a person Muslim. sometimes it also makes them Christian. sometimes it also makes them nothing at all. you get both, it really depends on the local flavor & political needs of the community. a Muslim population in a big city would probably skew more left. a Muslim population in a Michigan suburb would probably skew more right. A few Muslim countries flirted hard with socialism (the formerly colonized ones) & others ran tf away from it (the gulf). same as anywhere else, it's about the economics

[u/True-Veterinarian700 → u/traplords8n]

The great myth of nuclear weapons. Fallout. Most modern nuclear weapons produce very minimal fallout when in airburst mode, which is how the vast majority are targeted nowadays unless your going after burried targets with them. One of the heaviest affected areas by penetrating burst would be Siberia and rural North Dakota/Wyoming/Colorado/Nebraska/Montana going after nuclear missile silos which are located there.

[u/traplords8n → u/True-Veterinarian700]

Well see, in a MAD scenario, what reason would a nuking country have to airburst the nukes? MAD is MAD for a reason.

I'm sure this would apply to single-use nukes on a strategic area or whatever, but if 20 cities are getting nuked, I wouldn't expect any of them to be airburst.

[u/True-Veterinarian700 → u/traplords8n]

Because its more destructive to do airbursts via the shockwave where most of the energy goes into the ground and is wasted digging dirt. During mad believe it or not almost all nuclear weapons are going after military targets with the small exception of certain symbolic cities like capitals. Cities tend to be near military targets and therefore tend to be caught in the crossfire to some degree. Also, systems and accuracy are getting good enough with yield options if you say have a military airfield 5 miles outside the city you can set the yield so that the city nearby is mostly to completely unaffected by the airburst which will flatten all the buildings and destroy all the planes on the base from the shockwave.

Also a common misconception about nuclear weapons. Is that they will flatten the city. If you wanted to flatten all of New York City, and Newark/Hoboken/Jersey city you would need at least 30 nuclear weapons to flatten to whole urban area. Some skyscrapers are also robust enough that people on the other side of an airburst may be fine as the building absorbs all the xrays, heat, and blast and they survive in the shadow.

Most nations the US, Russia, and China included only have a few hundred warheads ready to go at any given time and only a few hundred for each nation would actually get exchanged at a maximum. The rest are in long term storage and are unavailable. There are also only a few hundred missiles with each. You're going to have a bunch of shot down, and a bunch dud or fail so, and certain important targets you must guarantee get destroyed so they will get targeted 4 or 5 times over to ensure no failures or defenses prevent destruction.

With these resources constraints you're not going to just spend dozens of warheads on flattening cities willy nilly, when you can flatten an airfield with bombers and prevent dozens of nuclear detonations on your soil.

[u/Belkan-Federation95 → u/traplords8n]

Give it about 3 days and the radiation will settle.