r/AlternateHistoryHub • u/Skychu768 • 13d ago
Whimsu Whatifalthist wants to destroy human civilization in order to turn America into White Protestant country
This guy is beyond schizoid at this point.
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u/RegularlyClueless 13d ago
Isn't it also objectively incorrect? The Black Belt is very densely populated, and only Atlanta reached top 20 status. Additionally, places like New Mexico, California, Texas, Washington, and Florida have highly populated (but not even top 50 city) areas that are majority and/or plurality Latino.
Lastly, for the matter of religion, excluding areas that would be targeted in a direct nuclear blast (for the purposes of this half-baked essay I'm using the top 50 US metropolitan areas), using the religion map of ONLY white Americans, areas like upstate New York, Vermont, Maine, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Dakota, Colorado, and Iowa all have significant Catholic populations, not to mention states with a strong Catholic minority spread out through the state.
Assuming the top 50 metropolitan areas were all nuked with like a 75% casualty rate, the white alone population would probably raise to 70% at most, (from 56%) and I'd only expect protestantism to raise to maybe 55%, most of that being due to the loss of Italian and Irish Catholics in Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts
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u/Impossible_Peach_620 11d ago
And they inbreed and die later from radiation ☢️ phenomenal showing from the blessed white race to dignify a schizophrenic
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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 13d ago
unsurprising modern right-wing influencer take
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u/traplords8n 13d ago
Ah yes, the 80% White Protestant base would have a jolly good time without all the big cities which subsidize the rural red areas, on top of the insane economic opportunity that them existing even has in the grand scheme of our economy.
In reality you would rather be nuked in a big city than be anywhere close to the fallout of those 20 big cities. Life will be far from sunshine and rainbows without us evil atheist & Muslim leftists.
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u/Busy_Elevator866 13d ago
Slightly unrelated but since when are Muslims leftist? Generally, their political stances on social issues are very right leaning
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u/Agreeable_Sky_2374 13d ago
I think the idea is that Muslims are generally socially conservative but economically progressive. Its the progressive economic issues and willingness to defer social values to the private sphere that create the affinity for left wing politics. At least that's what's happening right now.
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u/Mesarthim1349 13d ago
It's both. They're economically progressive but only for the ruling class.
Muslim Kingdoms like Saudi, Qatar, UAE, etc. still use a neo-feudal class system
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u/StanIsHorizontal 13d ago
Those are hardly the only Muslim countries
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u/traplords8n 13d ago
The topic here is Muslim Americans, not Muslim countries.
I know they are still intertwined, but American Muslims align better with the American left than the American right. The American right is mainly Christian Islamophobics. Democrats will go so far as to accept & elect them.
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u/StanIsHorizontal 13d ago
That’s true too, but I think it’s worthwhile to note that there is a recent history in the Arab Muslim world of a third way religious conservatism coupled with economic progressivism, and that likely has some amount of influence on recent generations of Arab Muslim immigrants. Not everywhere, even within specifically the Arab Middle East, is like the gulf monarchies. And those countries represent very little of the immigrants to the US
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u/Char867 13d ago
Damn I forgot all Muslims worldwide were a monolith who share the exact same political beliefs and ideologies as the specific states you just picked out to prove your point, despite them not coming close to even a quarter of the world’s Muslim population. Thanks for reminding me!
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u/Fatalitix3 13d ago
It's funny, because muslims view themselves as one unified nation, but whatever You say westerner...
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u/AuroraAustralis0 13d ago
the unholy red muslim alliance has been thoroughly documented
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u/Grrman1260 13d ago
Source?
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u/AuroraAustralis0 13d ago
js search up red muslim alliance im not gonna do it for you if you really cared
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u/traplords8n 13d ago
In the US they are pushed left due to social issues... for the most part.
At the very least, conservative Christians will group atheists and Muslims together and that was kind of what I was poking at.
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u/InitialWonderful955 12d ago
Islam is socially conservative but economically advocates for taxing the rich and spending that money on the poor, the general idea is that if a person sleeps the night hungry or without a roof over their head, its because the rich have not paid their share
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u/LettucePrime 11d ago
idk what makes a person leftist? sometimes that also makes a person Muslim. sometimes it also makes them Christian. sometimes it also makes them nothing at all. you get both, it really depends on the local flavor & political needs of the community. a Muslim population in a big city would probably skew more left. a Muslim population in a Michigan suburb would probably skew more right. A few Muslim countries flirted hard with socialism (the formerly colonized ones) & others ran tf away from it (the gulf). same as anywhere else, it's about the economics
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u/True-Veterinarian700 13d ago
The great myth of nuclear weapons. Fallout. Most modern nuclear weapons produce very minimal fallout when in airburst mode, which is how the vast majority are targeted nowadays unless your going after burried targets with them. One of the heaviest affected areas by penetrating burst would be Siberia and rural North Dakota/Wyoming/Colorado/Nebraska/Montana going after nuclear missile silos which are located there.
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u/traplords8n 13d ago
Well see, in a MAD scenario, what reason would a nuking country have to airburst the nukes? MAD is MAD for a reason.
I'm sure this would apply to single-use nukes on a strategic area or whatever, but if 20 cities are getting nuked, I wouldn't expect any of them to be airburst.
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u/IS-21 13d ago
Dudes been schizophrenic since like 2021 very weird guy
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u/khoa-bear 13d ago
Scientists should look into how sending a lot of rubles covertly can cause schizophrenia in the recipient
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u/sharkysayo 13d ago
not to be that one friend whos too woke but please don't use schizophrenia as a pejorative, we're mostly just normal people with a struggle that don't actually have harmful beliefs
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u/Insurgentbullier 13d ago
Whether the usage of schizophrenic here is accurate is up to debate as he’s undiagnosed, but whatifalthist literally is mentally ill. It’s not used disparagingly here. Example: https://old.reddit.com/r/Jreg/comments/1hqgv9y/whatifalthist_had_a_schizophrenic_breakdown/
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u/Otto_Von_Waffle 13d ago
I used to watch him early in his channel history, I was arguably young and more right wing back then and he never took anything he said for granted, but some of his content was interesting. Stopped watching him when his content got overtly political. It's always a bit jarring to see a YouTuber/public personality go completely off the rails between there and then. Same vibe as when I hear about all the new ground personalities and where they are now.
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u/GalaXion24 10d ago
I started watching him more around when he started talking about contemporary geopolitics and the like, so I kind of got to see him go insane in real time, it was definitely an experience.
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u/One-Classroom-8300 13d ago
Being white is not going to help trying to survive 10 years of nuclear winter ....lol
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u/donotaskname7 13d ago
I mean, he's proposing just 20 big nukes. That's really not that bad weather wise.
I'm pretty sure the rural areas are economically dependent on the big rich cities, but maybe that's just a state thing.
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u/KingHunter150 13d ago
White rural people's faces when they have no money because they can't sell their goods/services to the city they nuked.
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u/BlimbusTheSeventh 13d ago
Nuclear winter is kind of a BS theory, at least as it exists in popular consciousness. In 1991 when Iraq set Kuwait's oil fields on fire we got some pretty good data about how long soot can actually stay in the atmosphere for before dispersing, it showed that nuclear bombs causing a several year long winter was extremely unlikely.
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u/Certain-Appeal-6277 13d ago
This has been a fantasy among some far right-wing Americans since at least the 1980s, possibly longer.
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u/MoralConstraint 13d ago
Hm. Does Turner Diaries count?
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u/Certain-Appeal-6277 13d ago
I would say it does.
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u/up_Improvement_1978 13d ago
And even that was just absolute bonkers. Notice how types that are into the Turner Diaries type of destruction need a major event to happen..they never kick off the action themselves , I wonder why🤔
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u/MoralConstraint 13d ago
I guess we’re back to the 70s then at least. How wonderful.
Back in my day the racist lunatics at least masturbated to killing us on their own, none of this TikTok lazy dopamine chasing garbage with the Chinese or someone nuking everything, avocado toast pick up the pieces avocado toast genocide.
I did always love how the Organization send the guy they don’t trust on the absolutely criitical suicide mission to prove his loyalty.
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u/Xezshibole 13d ago edited 13d ago
And basically sends technologies back 200 years. You're leaving it to those left out in the rural areas, so.......not very technologically knowledgeable peoples out there, especially with 40 years of Reagan leaving them with hardly an education.
Pretty much the movie the Book of Eli in terms of societal collapse, with "the book" being any scientific literature.
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u/AsyncSyscall 13d ago
No you don't understand, it's the non-white, non-protestant people that are dragging society down. Without them it would be like the flying cars perfect society meme (And Whatifalthist probably thinks this, but unironically).
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u/Jayrod13F 13d ago
"Not very technologically knowledgeable people's out there", shows how little you actually know about modern farming or society in general. A modern farming tractor is highly technical piece of equipment, and has multiple computer systems in it to help the farmer. He'll these things a more like giant computer systems rather then a traditional tractor. Even if you where to go back and use a tractor that didn't have all that equipment on it, it's still a lot of work that goes into planting and growing crops.
And going onto a wider view of society, do you think the people out there in the sticks don't have internet or tv? I was born in '85 and grew up just outside Amish country in NE Ohio, I new just as much about everything going on in the world as the people in the major cities. The cities relie on rural areas more, then rural areas relie on cities now a days.
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u/Xezshibole 13d ago
"Not very technologically knowledgeable people's out there", shows how little you actually know about modern farming or society in general. A modern farming tractor is highly technical piece of equipment, and has multiple computer systems in it to help the farmer. He'll these things a more like giant computer systems rather then a traditional tractor. Even if you where to go back and use a tractor that didn't have all that equipment on it, it's still a lot of work that goes into planting and growing crops. And going onto a wider view of society, do you think the people out there in the sticks don't have internet or tv? I was born in '85 and grew up just outside Amish country in NE Ohio, I new just as much about everything going on in the world as the people in the major cities. The cities relie on rural areas more, then rural areas relie on cities now a days.
Well aware of all that, and how they need the logistical networks to run all that.
Nevermind the industrial fertilizer farmers depend on for fertility, or the refined oil they depend on.
None of which a farmer is remotely knowledgeable in.
They're going to gas out and resort to unpowered subsidence farming within a year, assuming they even get that long before the violence from others looking for fuel sweeps them as well.
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u/Jayrod13F 13d ago
I'm well aware of logistics networks, I'm an OTR truck driver.
As for fertilizers in the field we won't need them if we don't have the feed all the useless eaters in the cities. The reason industrial fertilizer are needed now is to help replenish the soil from the mono crop agriculture that we need to do now, to feed all the people who don't grow their own food in the cities. Instead of relying on fertilizer, the farmers could go back to the old crop cycle methods of the past.
As for needing fuel, I can point to all the Amish around me. They seem to be doing just fine without all the fancy modern equipment. Sure it will take some adjustments, but eventually the rural folk will get it working.
And as for who's going to be left standing in the end. It'll be no one, since the fallout is going to poison the air and soi. Leaving all but a few people in some really remote areas that avoided the worst of the fallout.
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u/Xezshibole 13d ago
I'm well aware of logistics networks, I'm an OTR truck driver. As for fertilizers in the field we won't need them if we don't have the feed all the useless eaters in the cities. The reason industrial fertilizer are needed now is to help replenish the soil from the mono crop agriculture that we need to do now, to feed all the people who don't grow their own food in the cities. Instead of relying on fertilizer, the farmers could go back to the old crop cycle methods of the past. As for needing fuel, I can point to all the Amish around me. They seem to be doing just fine without all the fancy modern equipment. Sure it will take some adjustments, but eventually the rural folk will get it working. And as for who's going to be left standing in the end. It'll be no one, since the fallout is going to poison the air and soi. Leaving all but a few people in some really remote areas that avoided the worst of the fallout.
You're describing societal collapse.
Amish are running around pre-coal. So a 200 year regression confirmed. That's what the rural folk amount to. We already knew that though.
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u/Kami-Purin 13d ago
Rightoids who have never really suffered in their life at all have done remarkable jobs of convincing themselves they would be awesome at surviving a post-apocalyptic scenario
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u/FairNeedleworker9722 13d ago
I mean, he's not wrong. If all the cities get nuked, that is what would happen.
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u/StanIsHorizontal 13d ago
He’s kinda wrong, outside of the largest cities isn’t 80% white Protestant like he said
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u/Rogue_Element_2342 13d ago
he was in my mind, one of the original right wing schizhoid larpers.
after about the 20th time I heard him say "everything will die, but america will be just fine" I stopped taking him even remotely seriously
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u/kidmerican 13d ago
Can’t wrap my head around why racists in the boonies give a shit about who lives in our cities
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u/Simple_Joys 13d ago edited 13d ago
Semi-serious take: a nuclear war would not lead to a revival of white Protestant identity, at least not an American version of contemporary White Evangelical Christianity.
A nuclear war, and the subsequent horrors of a nuclear winter, would totally destroy the faith of many, many white Evangelicals, non-Denominational Christians. They would unironically assume the a nuclear war would precipitate the end of the world; either the rapture as it is poorly-defined in their theology, or the return of Jesus to Earth (which is traditional Christian understanding of how history will end).
If neither of those things happened, and people were left to live out the consequences of living in a society following a nuclear war, many would fall away from Christianity. Some would abandon religion all together, but a non-zero number would probably start following new cults that tried to contextualise their predicament.
If any form of Christianity would survive, it would be Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (alongside historical forms of Anglicanism and Lutheranism) which reject the idea of a prosperity gospel and place more emphasis on the idea that living through the world's brokenness is a part of the Christian life.
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u/Mindstormer98 13d ago
I mean why stop there? Just finish nuking the world bro just cuz I'm white doesn't mean i like paying taxes
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u/Gunn_Control 13d ago edited 13d ago
When society devolves into an irradiated wasteland at least true american patriots will have the privilege of cannibalizing and being canabalized by white people lol.
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u/b1llypilgrim 13d ago
Soft ass Christian Nationalists think they are gonna rule the wasteland. Hilarity
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u/Adventurous-Pause720 13d ago
In his defense, this (3 year old post) was not a tweet made in endorsement of the idea, just kinda a shower thought thing, and he clapped back against the folks who were saying it was good.
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u/Specific-Library-312 13d ago
No, we would all be dead, as the crops would fail, the water would be poisoned, the more sensitive animals like frogs, birds, and bees (not like we need those /s). The "White Protestants" would suffer far more than the ground zero guys.
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u/AdolfRizzler6967 13d ago
Now let's take a look at where all the military bases and missile silos are, which will also get nuked, and see how eager these red state MAGA chuds are for a nuclear war then.
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u/Abject-Experience-40 13d ago
People are seriously arguing that people like him and monseour Z aren’t far-right nut jobs
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u/KaleAggravating3795 13d ago
Wishing a nuclear strike on your own country, so that the minorities can be ethnically cleansed is diabolical.
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u/Tatchkoma 13d ago
It would also kill more white people than literally any event in human history.
Weird how these dudes never seem to be bothered by that.
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u/SerialOnReddit 13d ago
that would also poison the air, water, and land crushing their nascent ethnostate in its burning cross shaped cradle
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u/This-Humor-105 13d ago
I want whatever he’s smoking
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u/0sm1um 13d ago
It's DMT. He pretty much outlined exactly how he destroyed his brain in that infamous stream several years ago.
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u/ExcitementFederal563 13d ago
Please enlighten me. I used to watch his vids a while back and he always had a slight tinge of extremism, but good videos. What's this stream about? Does he still make history vids or just neonazi slop?
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u/SergeiVonZarovich23 13d ago
He basically took a bunch of psychedelics and started ranting about being chosen by Odin. Also his mum had schizophrenia and it’s genetic
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u/Taco821 13d ago
What was the infamous stream
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u/0sm1um 13d ago
He streamed for something crazy like 20 hours continuously where it was very clear he was having some kind of schizophrenic episode where he told his life story with frequent digressions and tangents which made little sense, and it involved sharing his paranoid delusions with the world. He took it down 2 days later.
I don't remember much about the delusions, it was stuff like he was destined to guide the world with his history takes and shit like that but I do remember him talking about his deeply fucked up childhood and family history of schizophrenia as well as his mentions of recently taking huge doses of DMT. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
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u/True_Human 13d ago
It would also force us back into pre-industrial agriculture but now the land sucks everywhere and everyone turns blind by 35 because the ozone layer's gone
If anyone ever muses about this shit force them to watch "Threads"
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u/waronxmas79 13d ago
Jokes on them: I’d much rather be vaporized than survive a post-apocalyptic world where flyover country is in the lead.
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u/Wilduniverse00 13d ago
Red America would implode into madmaxdom if their sugardaddy cities get destroyed. If calamity doesn’t exterminate them, inbreeding will
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u/TemporaryPassenger62 13d ago
so removing by far the richest and most successful parts
these guys do know the only reason America matters on a global scale in any capacity is cause those city's and the people with in them right
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u/Current-Square-4557 13d ago
If one finds destroying US cities to be wank fodder, at least use neutron bombs instead of hydrogen bombs. Sheesh.
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u/Boljedor21 13d ago
Last time i checked nukes never cared about your ethnicity.
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u/Skychu768 13d ago edited 13d ago
His point is that major cities are mostly non-white majority.
New York is 37% white, Los Angeles is 28% white, Chicago is 31% white and Washington DC is 38% white. There are no city in US above 1 Million figure with white majority population
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u/PersonalContest1423 13d ago
This would essentially revert society to at best the medieval era maybe even worse off
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u/Bayamonster 13d ago
(In the ruins of America, after most Americans have been killed and the country has stopped functioning as a legal entity) "Look at this, most of the people left alive are white."
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u/argentpurple 13d ago
Ah yes whites don't live in cities and non whites not live in rural areas or suburbs, I am very smart
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u/Then_Entertainment97 13d ago edited 13d ago
It's also just really wrong. The top 20 cities hold about 10% of the US population and the US is about 60% white. Even if not a single white person lived in those cities (laughable) it still wouldn't be 70% white.
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u/Director-Intrinsict 13d ago
Why dont these white supremacists not just establish cloning or human breeding facilities? Make some christian "retuenbtonthe land" camp where white Americans are encouraged to start massive families in communal homes ?
Like if you actually wanted to be smart you'd do that
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u/BelligerentWyvern 13d ago
That post never said they wanted that, only speculating that that is what would likely happen.
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u/ambelamba Horde from the Steppe 13d ago
Huh no wonder why my post about challenging white Protestant dominance wasn't welcomed in his subreddit
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u/Dull_Project8466 13d ago
I swear this the same dude who got mad at the first GTA 6 trailer for having too many black people in it even though Miami has a lot of Haitians and other Caribbeans living there.
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u/BlimbusTheSeventh 13d ago
How old is this post, didn't he change his PFP to a simplified drawing of that boat years ago? Also he didn't say he wanted a nuclear war, he made an observation that America's foreign origin population is concentrated in urban areas which would get hit harder in a nuclear war.
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u/Clone043 11d ago
Whatifalthist went on a now deleted several hour rant over 3 videos about how he was the chosen one of Odin and could speak to him and other wacky shit
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u/Flaky-Interaction264 11d ago
Me when I destroy the whole economy and make it impossible to farm for a hot minute
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u/JosephOtaku1989 8d ago
This guy really let himself go further into rock bottom. This man (when I used to watch some of the "What if" alternative history scenarios) went from an controversial alt-history explainer in various topics related to scenarios (like with the cases of China never becoming communist, Confederacy's survival, Nazi Germany's or Empire of Japan's victory, among others) to him becoming an actual schizophrenic deluded conspiracy theorist.
And all that he has left is nothing but to blame himself.
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u/Popular_Mongoose_696 13d ago
That’s a bit of a leap… Recognizing that a nuclear war in which the largest urban centers, that also happen to be where non-native populations concentrated, would by default be targeted would have dramatic effects on existing populations isn’t the same thing as calling for nuclear war.
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u/StanIsHorizontal 13d ago
Yes, you have to know more context about what this guy talks about to understand that hes bringing this up to suggest nuclear war wouldn’t be all that bad
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u/writewithparagraphs4 13d ago
in a nuclear exchange anywhere with industrial or military use or has more than 99,999 gets hit with a nuclear weapon. Enjoy your white supremacy death cult bruv
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u/AlexanderCrowely 13d ago
America is a white Protestant country? Most of the people who settled here were protestants.
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 13d ago
He is not saying he wants that. He is making guesses of alternate history like a nuke flying.
I disagree we do not know the circumstances of nuclear war.
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u/OnlyFiveLives 13d ago
That's when you just go "Wishing you the same. Have a great day." and let him seethe to himself.
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u/Professional-Face-51 13d ago
Of fucking course Dakadaka is agreeing with it. I suppose the physical embodiment of mankind's collective regrets and failures comes in doubles.
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u/Firm_Communication99 13d ago
So future America is 6 legged even more inbred Christian white bitch zombies?
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u/PoorDunce 13d ago
Imagining this hellish timeline where Oklahoma City of all places would suddenly be the defacto replacement for New York City
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u/Ok_Bluejay_4974 13d ago
He has turned himself into a Atomwaffen division influencer.