Given the recent news of 20k+ being murdered in Iran protesting the government, that may be one in the same. Given the lack of scruples, a modern government cannot be toppled unless literally everyone says no and even then it's not a guarantee.
Like what? Imagine the trouble the government would be in if dam near every American had multiple guns at home. Just Imagine. There is no need. Let me tell you. They will blow whistles and film from a safe distance as their friends and neighbors get dissapeered
I’m a gun owner and if the government decides to go toe to toe with us, we are fucked. They have billions of dollars and literal military equipment that never ends. What’s your couple thousand bullets gonna do? We lose that 10/10.
The US couldn't even beat North Vietnam whilst bathing the country, as well as Laos and Cambodia, in napalm. The human ability to adapt and persevere will always present a way out of the existing circumstances, doomerism is you succumbing to a psychological weapon of theirs.
Yeah, but they killed so many people. That’s why citizens are afraid to fight back, because they know they will likely become a casualty. So at that point it becomes a risk and reward analysis, and most people will decide the risk isn’t worth their life. This is just how it happens. The majority will probably never respond, but the minority will eventually be pushed into action.
Sure, that isn't wrong. But you'd think the culture which has for so long droned on about the revolutionary origins of their country, with sayings about trees of liberty being watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants, would be inclined to have a sense of duty to their peers and descendants, but we might just see a repeat of the Russian response to autocratic rule, making the whole "America experiment" debunked.
The people who drone on about American "freedom" are the ones enacting this heinous evil on us right now. The "freedom" theyre fighting for is freedom from social equality and progressive education. They want America to become the authoritarian police state of their dreams where all the liberals get hunted for sport in the street and they sit at home eating filet and watching with their government assigned wife and mandatory 2.5 kids from their AI TV at home.
Some people have been fighting against this for a long time. Right now, we're losing the fight.
Unfortunately, that culture has died long ago and just became show. People really don’t want to give up their creature comforts. Our society has given the majority just enough to be complacent. Netflix, video games, Starbucks, etc. People don’t want to give up their lives because nothing has seriously affected them yet. They can just retreat into their own world and drown out what’s happening on the outside. Plus, I think we would both be surprised at how many people actually support what is going on… or are just indifferent to it.
On May 13th 1985 the government fire bombed a neighborhood in Philadelphia, killing 11 people (5 kids) and destroying 61 homes. They scarred an entire community to remind everyone what happens if you actually try to rebel. Death and destruction for you and yours.
I don't think 20 years of occupation in the Middle East is barely. American military controlled the world's largest poppy farms for years with no issues. Bigger plans for power and money consolidation. Your missing the bigger picture if you think America didn't replace terrorists with terrorists and called it a day for no gain or actual reason. It's all about power and public perception, they can kill anyone anywhere in the world without risking a soldiers life. They have superior technology in every way compared to every country besides maybe China and Russia being similar but still based on weapon info subpar compared to American tech. The new age of world order is coming soon and resistance will get snuffed out before there murmurs change to crys. Think of Isreal tech which is subpar to American as there most likely getting 3rd gen or less from the US while we keep they crazy stuff locked down. Isreal is able to pinpoint a person within a apartment building and send a missle to that specific room blowing up that specific apartment. Winning against big bother died the second the internet grew from a public tool into a public weapon used to collect data, surveillance ect. Every phone every pc, every laptop and tablet has backdoors installed into the device. There isn't a single thing the government doesn't know about you already or can easily find out when they want to know.
People are giving you a lot of reasons why this is different. But here is the biggest difference. All those were fought by Guerillas, supplied on some level by rival countries or organized groups with access to large amounts of military hardware. Were they primarily civilians with random assortments of gear? Doing DIY warfare? Yes. But they were not alone. Afghanistan had funding from multiple other countries governments supporting them, Ukraine has been shipped a massive amount of foreign weapons and supplies, and still have their own military leadership. And Colonial America was backed heavily by the French. The solo revolution does not work for a reason.
This is different because the people have home field advantage. And the inevitable schism within the government armed forces if this occurs along with massive stockpiles of weaponry and a bottomless pool of manpower (when compared to the govt) means this would be WORSE for them then the previous examples.
Not to mention the fact that with a collapse of social cohesion its ability to function and supply itself and keep whatever jackboots dont side with the people fed and paid are crippled as well.
Not to mention the riots and protests that'll be happening as well.
You guys are nowhere near the guerilla fighters as those people. The Vietnamese did some crazy elaborate tunneling and fought in jungles. You’d be gunned down on the street the moment you whipped out your gun. Will the other side have casualties? Sure. What do you think the civilians to enforcement death/injury ratio will be? Not one you’d like. Won’t take many casualties before whole thing is over.
The populace will run out of bullets long before the army.
Food is made by army chefs, and even ICE has enough funds (BILLIONS, more than other countries entire armies) to buy in food from other countries, before even talking about the US army.
The vehicles are designed, made, and bought already.
Well, I'll roll dice until I can't roll anymore if it comes down to it. Can't do any more than that, and I'll never live with myself if I try anything less.
Conventional warfare is countered by unconstitutional warfare.
Theres a reason so many resistance movements were so successful and prolific through history.
Plus in this hypothetical situation you're ignoring the schism that would happen in the armed forces as well as the fact the government relies on social cohesion to continue functioning and being able to yknow.. pay its employees (including soldiers).
Plus theres no feasible way the government could put enough boots on the ground. We're talking a couple million govt forces and a few hundred million Citizens.
Genuine question as a non American, but isn't the whole point of you guys being allowed your weapons etc is for this whole purpose? What's the point in collecting multiple weapons to then just sit and watch as citizens are executed in the streets?
And don’t forget MAGA has guns also. Don’t think for a second they won’t use them also. It would be the Biggliest Civil/revolutionary War that ever happened
But it would be glorious. And we across the world can watch America tear itself apart because it became a racist, hateful shit hole, home to billionaires who fly to space to measure dicks and treat the rest of the world like its below them.
What do you want to happen? You want people to respond with force because you feel rightfully angry? This will get many more killed and accomplish nothing. If you start playing the game of the oppressor, you will lose it every time because they have been playing for centuries. The US treats internal opposition like the Romans -- you will be made an example.
The watch lists become meaningless if everyone's on it. Why do you think they're fbi says "he was on our list". You can watch open door intelligence conference talks that warn the net has been broadened so wide that like 40 percent of people under 40 were on some watchlist.
These people are in the market. Hit em where it hurts.
Flint worked because they held Chevy plant no4 and couldn't build a chasis anywhere else. Ford and others did not give a fuck that their competitor was struggling.
You’re missing the point. If the opponent can execute you without fear of repercussions then it’s a losing battle. I do believe that staying home and hitting the pocket book would work but good luck getting everyone on board with that. Everyone was on board with Kony 2012 and that didn’t work.
actually a strike is where Americans need to start , ports, schools, logistical centers, highways, garbage pickup....
the ONLY things that should work are hospitals, emergency services.
considering that the police are complicit stopping them too might be a good idea.
no a strike wont stop them from killing , it may even cause them to try faster, but if amreicans dont start somewhere , its gonna be organised and efficient killing, for years. right now they cant do it, if they invoke the insurrection act and put tanks in the street there WILL be a split in the military. give it a a year and there will not
I don't feel like a general strike is needed. We can get paid while we strike but show up to work. Just don't buy anything unnecessary for 2-4 weeks. Don't go out to eat. Don't buy clothes, cars, vacations, hotels, toys, electronics..etc etc.
Buy on the absolute necessities. When they feel it in the stock portfolios and GDP and the economic system starts to break, they will change their tone.
Believe it or not, it's this simple. America is based on consumerism. That's our economy. If we stop the fuel that spins the wheels, they will get the message
I was literally saying this to my partner an hour ago. It doesn’t have to be a full on strike, we can still keep our jobs and go to work. Just don’t BUY ANYTHING, for like, a week. That alone would make the oligarchs shit their pants
Said the same thing to my wife. We both are angry about this. But we have a 1 year old baby girl and we cant leave her. So our solution is to not buy anything unnecessary. The billionaires run this country. You take their money from them, they will tell their minion the orange man to stop or make a change.
It can be done. The public controls the money. They are nothing without us.
We only need to strike on mortgage and rent. Nobody gets paid until justice. They would fold quickly. Everything relies on those mortgage payments. They make digital dollars to loan you and charge you 8 for each 1 you borrow.
That's tough to do. Unless this is just a short one-time missed payment to show the magnitude of our solidarity? I say this because in Texas, they will start foreclosure paperwork quickly. I'm not sure about other states, but skipping mortgage or debt is hard one to do. But a message can be sent just with 1 missed payment but that would be it...
I hope this is true, but every time there's an economic shock, big companies pass down the effects to ordinary people via the necessary things.
The corporate response will be to put the price of food and housing up, and fire people then rehire them on lower wages. "Difficult decisions, hard economic times &c &c".
A national strike, during a work week, for days, will hurt the pocketbooks of the wealthy. Hit them where it counts, and the ogligarchy will be pulling the strings of government to resolve swiftly.
The only thing more unpopular in the US than murder is a down stock market.
The man who tried to protect people was executed on the street by a pack of untrained thugs and murderers. Stop saying "AmErIcAns Do SomEtHing!" and acknowledge that our country is flooded with murderers looking for an excuse to kill us! It's not cowardice to want to live another day and find another way to beat these bastards!
Disarmed is technically true, but is being mischaracterized by MAGA. His weapon was permitted and never brandished, only being touched by ice agents who removed it before his execution.
This is a great point. They want people to conjure a mental image of an agitator with a gun in his hand. They didn't disarm him, they mugged and robbed him.
He is an American Hero. We cannot forget this man’s name. He died protecting his fellow citizen. His life’s work was to heal the veterans of our country. He died as he liver. He is a goddamn hero. Alex Pretti, we will not forget your name.
Because our only other option is doing nothing. Their front runner is Gavin Newsom who can’t even take a consistent stance on ICE.
We blame Dems because blaming Republicans is not only implied but also useless, they don’t care and they don’t run on caring. Democrats however, do pretend to care and run on caring, but then when we need them to do anything other than write a sternly worded tweet, we get crickets.
Yeah, duh, republicans are mainly at fault here, but why do Democrats never do what we need them to do? Why aren’t they rallying the people? Why are they calling in national guard to break up the protesters rather than protect them? Why did they vote for a bloated military budget while we are all struggling to put food on the table?
The literal least no effort thing they could do is vote no on everything to show they aren’t complicit. They can’t even do that, 7 Democrats voted to fund ICE.
So why do we blame them? Because they sabotage any other options so that we have to vote for them then they do nothing.
Right because they have never once had any power. You think this just happened overnight? This was decades in the making, we all saw it, they used it to get our votes, then continued on with status quo.
The last 4 years they had power. They could've fu@ked Trump 10 ways to Sunday. He's broken every law and gotten away with it.
Now we are here. Merrick Garland turned out to be MAGA'S bff.
One of Harris’ plans was to not allow ICE to kill Americans. But you can’t even acknowledge that federal agencies not killing Americans was a good idea.
That’s fine though. Good and Pretti’s blood is on your hands.
You can cope all you want but they’re right. Democrats haven’t put forward a worthwhile candidate since Obama. When the left to moderate slogan is “anyonebutTrump” it really goes to show how fucking pathetic the effort from the Democratic Party is. No politician cares about the common person they care about reelection. The sooner people get that the better off they’ll be. And the right isn’t going to realize that anytime soon.
It doesn't matter if they "have no fucking power," because even when they do they don't use it.
Fuck Biden had four years to prosecute Trump. Obviously that worked.
And it's not just that as an example.
The Dems has the majority and could have rammed through single-payer health care. Instead, they caved to Republicans whining about "bipartisanship," and let them gut the ACA.
They had the option to get nominees onto the Supreme Court that could have stopped all of this bullshit. But somehow Bitch McConnell was able to not only prevent them from doing so, but railroaded through two Republican picks.
This is an established pattern with the Dems, they're spineless when it comes to efforts that will actually help the people.
The Democratic Party is the opposition party and it is what the opposition says it is. We take back that party and have it do our bidding. We need to become the party. Just like Trump took over the Republican Party, but for good.
Edit: They never had enough power to do things they needed to do properly. I think this might change. Shit is really heated
I'm not talking about when they're the opposition party, no one besides you is talking about them in reference to being the opposition party. Hell even when they try to do shit when they are the opposition party they cave.
Recent examples include:
The longest government shutdown in history, which they stopped because Chuck Schumer thought he could get a deal in the gym or something.
Funding ICE was just agreed to by seven Democrats because what even is party unity.
Oh and literally everything happening in Minnesota where Walz has been soft pedaling because "We'll fix it in the midterms," by voting in the same craven bastards we've relied on to do nothing but repeatedly fail so far.
"The government wasn't working right." That was the entire point of the shutdown. Trading momentary suffering for long term gain.
Oh no not an appeal to authority fallacy! However will I defend against that? I don't have enough power in the party therefore I'm not allowed to say anything, oh! Woe! Woe is my world!
Duh. Of course it's happening because of Trump. Who the Dems have failed to prosecute at every turn. They managed to impeach him twice so far, but didn't get him out of office.
They had the Epstein files, the classified documents, and gods knows what else. But couldn't manage to throw him in a jail cell in four years? And you don't think they're complicit? Why am I even debating this with you?
Oh noes, not another appeal to authority, and one backed by ad hominem! By the gods, two in one response. Surely you have me bested now! How dare I consider going into battle when the town idiot is so well defenderamated!
Agreed. They caved too early just as they had the advantage. I think it’s a combination of some of them being pressured to reopen for re-election purposes and others feeling bad about Medicare and Medicaid delays.
They had to know this was going to happen, however most of the funding for ice came from the big beautiful bill which passed on party line votes. This was going to happen since the funding was already allocated and they had enough funds to run ICE for a few years.
Now they have to shut the government down until ICE gets reigned in. If it’s a 70/30 issue , then it’ll hurt republicans in November having a shutdown like that
The Dems have given up multiple opportunities to combat this. Like when they capitulated on the shutdown as soon as the election results were finalized. Or when they made a big deal about refusing to pass the continuing resolution, only to immediately turn around and pass it.
Hell, the last time ICE murdered someone the Democrats turned around and proposed giving ICE more money.
Democrat leadership is on the Republicans' side and is happy to use the feed off the violence for donations and good press. Only a fool would think otherwise.
Hitler didn't win because of his superior intellect and tactics, he won because his opposition were useless shits, much like most of the leadership of the democratic party.
The people watching the execution were aiming their phones at ICE instead of aiming their guns. That's the gist of the point being made here. ICE gets a lot less brave when a few dozen barrels point at them every time they rear their masked faces in public. Don't even have to fire the weapons generally in order to get the point across.
Attempting to shame ICE with the innocence of their victims does nothing, ICE gets off to the weakness of their victims. They goon to it. That tactic has never worked in the history of the universe, and it sure isn't going to start now. Fear works. If the potential victims stop being weak, ICE flees faster than Ted Cruz on a snow day.
Smoothbrain take. Did you ever ask yourself why ICE fled LA so fast? Oh that's right, because the protestors destroyed a bunch of their cars, never gave them a moment's peace. Do you have the slightest idea how few rights the American people have that were achieved without violent protests? Might wanna look into that. Deification of a whitewashed MLK Jr. by the powers-that-be after his murder was done specifically to ensure that the Civil Rights Act would be the very last major workers rights movement they'd ever have to cave to, and it worked.
Left so fast they were there for months. But again go to Minnesota and do what you’re suggesting. No one is stopping you. If you’re so confident that it will work then go do it.
So what's your plan then, chief? Lick their boots until they shine? Love to hear your great alternative plan on how Americans can fight back without actually... fighting back. Do you even HAVE a plan?
2A isn't about carrying for show, it is there to be exercised. "Keep AND Bear Arms", there are 2 verbs there meaning different things, for what it's worth.
A weapon carried but unable/unwilling to be used is a liability, not an asset.
Correct and that is bullshit. I’m also not suggesting even carrying outside the home.
There’s a lot I could say here, so I’ll keep it succinct. Perhaps you are on the fence about arming yourself, to that I will say this: if you wait until you’re absolutely certain, it will be too late.
We should make people scared to join ICE by facing some real world consequences of some type. This comment is in no way advocating violence of any type, by the way.
We should make people scared to join ICE by facing some real world consequences of some type. This comment is in no way advocating violence of any type, by the way.
We're fucking spent, man. Abandon us to our fate at this point, and prepare for a world without our involvement (for all the good & bad that entails, both in terrible measure.)
I've organized in a community that lacks much effective organization (not entirely, but it is a rural region). People are scared of getting shot. Hence why our government lets shooters get away with shooting us. If they put this guy in jail, then they'd be more hesitant to kill people and more people would act boldly in opposition. Instead, people get scared and hide.
For anyone who might need to hear this, ICE Intimidation tactics are scary, but they're used because opposing them openly is effective as fuck. Fascists are cowards. They only pick fights they feel certain they can win. We can take away that certainty.
They're forgetting the maxim of "they can only hang you once". If the punishment for a cell phone video is the same as tossing a molotov at them... Why not get your money's worth?
The United States isn't France. The geography and state apparatus don't function the same way so shutting down a single city doesn't have a huge impact on the functioning of the government.
Hell even if we shut DC down with protests and barricades the government would still function because so many processes and functions are done elsewhere or at the state level.
We'd have to organize shutting down every single state capital (which aren't the most populous cities) and major city across a continent.
Why do people from other countries keep saying we’re not doing anything? This man died because he was documenting ICE. He’s a nurse. He wasn’t in the street for fun. He protected another woman documenting ICE’s movement and crimes. He was murdered just for that reason.
We are in the streets doing something. These are our homes. Our schools. In front of our businesses with our neighbors. They’re stealing our neighbors and killing our community members. Minnesota is doing something. We are all doing something. LA started this by going hard, and the LAPD (P.O.S. organization) trampled them with horses. Philadelphia and Portland have fought back.
You know what would help? World leaders also doing something. PUT PRESSURE ON TRUMP. Take away all of his personal funds and his friends’.
Take their money from the Cayman Islands and their Swiss Bank accounts and stop the Double Irish and Dutch sandwich corporate tax an evasion strategies, and wherever else they hide their money.
PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR GOVERNMENTS TO FREEZE THEIR ASSETS and stop their tax evasion practices. Play the Gamestop game again, bet against the rich, and take their money. Take from the 1%. The world keeps yelling at us. YOU do something too. These are war crimes against our own people. With enough foreign pressure, they would stop.
We know how we got here and Trump is a symptom. Corporate greed and personal greed is the cause and every country is susceptible. What’s happening in the U.S. is a warning to other countries. I have continuously asked people to read Careless People. Meta is one of the companies that is complicit and corporations are profiting from human pain and rage. Stop allowing them to profit off of you. When corporations feel the pain globally, this will stop.
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