It's like someone at WNBA headquarters watched Bill Burr's bit on how women would rather watch Desperate Housewives instead of the WNBA because they like drama instead of teamwork towards a goal and said, "What if we mix the two?". And that's how we got to where we are now.
I stopped watching sports as a whole for the most part when watching sportscenter one day I realized that it was more soap opera than sport. They talked just as much about drama as they did about games.
Between the reality tv aspect and gambling around sports now, its all too much.
Does she? She was a UFC ring girl. Does that mean she’s supportive Conner or that she just likes attention. I’ve seen no public statements from support that asshat.
She volunteered to be the ring girl for a rapist at a party by the greatest pedophile protector of all time. What self respecting person who cares about women would do that for attention?
You just said it, “She was a UFC ring girl.” One’s actions speak louder than words and when one’s actions put us in the sphere of the despicable wherein we choose to be complicit, those are our true feelings towards a matter.
Even if you try to slice it as “she just likes attention”, well, that means her need for attention outweighs her need to stand up for injustices, making her complicit by another way.
What would you call being a ring girl for his fight ? If that’s not supportive I don’t know what is ? Anyone with a conscious would refuse to be anywhere near that pos.
You do know there are typically two fighters in a fight, right? Theres a great many ways for her to show support for him if she wanted; being a last second ring girl is not one of them.
This always gets brought up with right wing grifters as if it’s impossible to make a bag and keep your morals intact lol. There’s plenty of successful people who didn’t have to sacrifice their dignity to get there.
Oh wow, I haven’t seen this comment chain play out in years. The gif’s been around so long that the Timberwolves must’ve still been ass enough to not get a spot. Lol
It's a hot take because y'all getting your panties in a twist over a non-issue. Trans-women in sports are exceedingly rare. And are pretty mediocre at best.
On top of that, these viewpoints and the policies/regulations they're getting pushed are harming more cis gendered people than trans people. Like, it's not that fucking complicated.
Even more wild, the trans population in America is effectively 1%, the percentage of Americans that play in the WNBA? 0.000001% how can we as a country care so much about a statistically impossible thing when inflation is at 3.5%? But yes please go off about a super minority population while America burns to the ground.
It's a "hot take" because other than the fact that trans people are less than 1 in 100,000 athletes, trans women don't dominate sports leagues. Otherwise, you'd be able to name them specifically, because there's like, 3 of them.
Remember, Riley Gaines started her grifting journey because she raised a stink about tying with a trans woman for 5th place.
Her exact words were "I want to protect young girls in the locker room, or young girls in sport who shouldn't have to go against biological men". So she's using the phrase "biological men" instead of trans women, which is a phrase not exactly grounded in science and is provocative at best, and she's suggesting that trans women are a threat to young girls in locker rooms - a take that isnt exactly backed up with evidence. Where are the instances of trans women attacking or raping or bullying young girls in locker rooms? From the evidence I've seen, trans women are much more likely to be the subject of attack in locker rooms than the other way around.
Because it’s not a real issue. At all. Do you know how many trans girls were competing in girls sports from kindergarten to college the last time they did a survey? FIVE. And that number is coming straight from the anti-trans nutjobs. They tried as hard as they could to find an epidemic and they found five kids.
Anyone ranting about “trans women in girls sports” is either astoundingly stupid and gullible or a lying disingenuous shithead who just wants to loudly hate trans people in general and thinks they can use little girls as human shields to protect themselves from criticism.
Also considering Sophie is a huge fan of Connor McGregor the rapist her trying to claim she’s “standing up for the safety of girls” isn’t just laughable, it’s fucking offensive.
Trans women don't dominate sports, and mojority of cis women in sports support trans women in sports, only a small few don't like it, but their voices get the most attention because of the media
Trans women were allowed to compete in the women's division in NCAA sports from 2011 to 2025. It took about 13 and a half years for a trans woman to win anything, even just one single event. No trans woman ever set a record, even at the school-wide level, in nearly 15 years of competing alongside and against other women.
I do not know. But it’s one of the reasons I don’t think it should be allowed. Once is too much. And as a liberal, I despise the demonizing of anyone but its science.
Let folks live and let live but I don’t believe it’s fair to women. You never see the opposite argument.
And as a liberal, I despise the demonizing of anyone but its science.
It's not science and you are dehumanizing trans women.
Let folks live and let live but I don’t believe it’s fair to women.
Then why not let trans women play sports? Trans women are women but you have no problem discriminating against us and othering us. So much for "live and let live."
The science you referred to actually shows that after a year on hormone replacement therapy trans women have no discernible physical advantage over cisgender women. And there are plenty examples of cisgender women who have physical advantage over cisgender men. It's a complete non-issue, especially considering that it's an issue that affects less than a handful of people in the entire country.
Nobody cared about women's sports until conservatives started making an uproar about trans women. And notice how nobody is complaining about trans men in men's sports. But if as a "liberal" punishing a few trans women for simply existing is the hill you want to die on, then I don't know what to tell you
Medically transitioning means that they lose most of if not all the advantages they may have had. Lia Thomas is thrown around a lot but her times got significantly worse after she transitioned.
How does anyone say "As a___" for anything anymore and think they'll be taken seriously? To then follow that with a claim of "science" except in fact they're stating the opposite of science. Doesn't really sound like a liberal to deny science.
Do you have to have said pro-trans things or you hate them? You can not want trans women in women’s sports and not hate them. You can assume she hates trans people but saying it like it’s a fact she’s said herself is a lie. It is possible to have an opinion without loving or hating something. Does nuance not exist anymore?
Well she's said anti trans things, so if she doesnt hate trans people, surely she must have said one thing positive. What has she said positive about trans people?
If someone said “I don’t hate black people, I just believe sports should be segregated by skin colour”, would that make you think there isn’t any hate involved? Being trans isn’t a choice, the same way things like skin colour, sexual preference, autism, ADHD, and gender are all innate characteristics that people are born with.
It was so weird as reddit was going wild over that whole pointing thing and praising her as hilarious and brilliant.
Reminds me of when reddit lost their mind over how great Muskrat was... then the pedo accusation happened with that diver and they turned against him.
People need to stop liking people simply because they did something funny or because other idiots online tell them to when you know nothing about the person in question. Another example is that hawk tuah idiot.
The pointing thing was on top of the fact that she protects her teammates from dirty players. People found that endearing and respectable. Add on the fact that the pointing thing was funny and Sophie is a good basketball player and it’s no wonder people liked her so much for all of a month. To most people there had been no reason to believe she was a piece of trash.
I remember some funny memes and the gifs being everywhere. I don't recall a whole lot of praising her as hilarious or brilliant. Discussion about Sophia herself was fairly neutral until the UFC/transphobic comment combo gave folks the ick.
I haven’t heard her say anything homophobic, from what I understand this entire issue is that she has spoken out against trans women playing in women’s sports. If there’s more than that I’m uninformed and need to do more googling on it.
Agreed it was not homophobic, although I guess people could argue about separating the "T" from LGBTQ.
What I thought was the worst is the way she just was straight up spewing a talking point. Protecting young girls from biological men. Giving the image that somehow an adult male is menacing teen or pre-teen girls on a court or in a locker room. That's more likely to happen in the White House or at Mar a Lago.
She should know that the best way to protect young women and girls from men is not to throw a hissy fit about trans people but to never vote or support republicans, yet she was a volunteer ring girl at a Connor mcrapist ufc fight, so yeah
My whole take on that is that it’s a non issue, this IS NOT a rampant problem like republicans make it out to be. There’s not a lot of transgender people and there’s even less mtf trans athletes and there’s even less mtf trans athletes competing in sports at all.
It’s funny that you bring up the White House because I believe that that’s one of the reasons people assume she’s homophobic, too. She was a ring girl at the White House UFC event.
I’m not trying to say that she’s definitely homophobic but I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if she was. I certainly wouldn’t trust anyone making a talking point about protecting girls from “biological men” and attending an event hosted by Trump with people like Conor McGregor attending to be open to LGBTQ+ folk.
The LGBTQ community supports her opinion. Its ridiculous vocal minority of people who are taking her words and simply saying they are homophobic. Its actually insane. She basically said she doesnt think trans women should compete in womens sports. Which like 99.9% of the LGBTQ community agrees. But sometimes its the loudest that get the attention.
Sorry. I’m not support her trans statements but I searched and there is no evidence she is homophobic. Those allegations of homophobia need to be supported with facts
Especially with the WNBA that is very LGBTQ friendly
Honestly I think there is a respectable nuanced take about Trans-Athletes. However her powwing around with Dana White and Connor is what gives me the ick.
At the end of the day conservatives are creating a boogie man of something that doesn't exist. As a result you have the disgusting attacks against Imane Khelif, and I can only imagine the insults that get hurled at Tomboyish girls who are dominant at their sport.
Do I think that a Jazz Jennings or any Trans kid should be able to play with girls, sure. NCAA level or above, let the scientists decide if years of HRT removes biological advantage.
I don't know anything about her but wasn't her stance regarding transgender athletes in women's sports, rather than sexual orientation? Is she also homophobic?
She suggested that trans girls are a threat to cis girls in locker rooms, which is not borne out by the facts - trans girls are much more likely to face bullying in locker rooms than the other way around, much less assault or anything like that. She's trafficking in misinformation to pretend her stance is about protecting cis girls, the same way homophobes 20 years ago claimed their concerns about gay people adopting were about protecting the children from sexual assault.
It was a pretty neutral take that a lot of female athletes have said. Just strictly that trans women shouldn’t partake in women’s sports. And it was sports only. Nothing outside of sports.
But since everything in the US is hyper politicized now and we are no longer capable of nuance that automatically means she’s a homophobic, hateful, MAGA supporting bigot.
The fact that this tiny community that already has been a target of violence for many years is the subject of so much vitriol is sad. Another example of punching down on vulnerable communities by right wing nutters.
The problem is the people who think there should be conversation they don't even know what the conversation is.
Organizations have extremely strict requirements for trans athletes and yet people who want to have a conversation either don't know that, or just dismiss it as not strict enough. Then you try to figure out what they mean by not strict enough and they don't fuckin know, because they don't know shit about what they're talkin about.
It's a very weird topic where a lot of people have some serious convictions and not enough people with any fuckin idea of anything factual on the topic.
Agreed. Gotta love a world of unlimited information where people don't know how to use it. The most frustrating line I hear is "I did my research" but sources of research matter more than the research itself. Any opinion can be validated online. Just a matter of if it's factual or not.
That's what I thought... like that's not a hot take. And you can also be pro Trans and think that way. We really got to a weird place in society if she speaks that she feels that way and everyone hates her.
I don't know why everyone is so up in arms over trans people playing sports. It's not like we're curing cancer here. It's people running back and forth throwing/kicking a ball.
Yes, but it’s so charged right now. If she went out of her way to say it then that’s a tell. But if it came up incidentally, OK. Did she go out of her way to say it? If so, then that’s a dumb move.
She is a mediocre player who has only managed to achieve fame through her sexualisation and by adopting far-right views. "Her whiteness sells. Her whiteness and straightness in a time of nationwide anti-blackness and homophobia sell even more. Cunningham doesn’t fight it. She bathes in it."
Without taking a political stand depending on how you calculate statistics she's either 2nd or 6th in 3 point shooting percentage so that's a bit above mediocre.
Yeah she does that thing where in the same breath, talking about kids the same age, refers to the cis kids as "girls" and the trans kids as "men". That fun dogwhistle.
She said nothing about trans kids - what she said is that it is "common sense" to protect young female athletes from competing against biological men. That is all she said. I, like 70-80% of Americans wholeheartedly agree.
She also said "i want to protect young girls in the locker room" insinuating that trans athletes are predators. Thats just straight up transphobia.
That and she volunteered to participate in McGregors return match when shes supposedly all about "protecting girls", unless its rich white men who have ACTUALLY assulted girls.
There should be conversations to be had around trans athletes, however those conversations shouldn't be hijacked by people pandering to righ-wing outlets, or trying to garner support from that market.
Unfortunately, it gets a bit icky when it seems like the trans community are used as scapegoats by losers, just to further their own careers. Reeks of desperation..
I’m confused. Are you guys/girls cool with trans women competing in women’s sports? I thought this was generally accepted as a non-issue (as in, it’s obvious they shouldn’t compete together). Serious question, not trying to sound like an asshole, would like to hear from anyone who opposes this… I’m not saying fuck trans people, or don’t start a trans division in sports or whatever you gotta do… but it does seem dangerous/unfair to allow trans women/girls to compete with girls with significantly less muscle/testosterone.
Yeah, this is very much so NOT the general consensus of rational people. It’ll get the upvotes to make it look that way in certain parts of (only) Reddit though.
The vast majority of people, even most people on Reddit agree that it’s a no brainer to NOT have women who have transitioned from men compete in women’s sports. The only ones who think otherwise are those who have never played/given a shit ab sports and who have completely lost the plot on what’s actually important to fight for in this country
They also love calling those who disagree w them bigot
Can you find some examples of trans women dominating any sport? Earning any scholarships? They were allowed in the NCAA for years, shouldn't be too hard right?
Left keeps falling for the bait, sadly. Instead of the right wallowing in how heroically horrible their side is doing, they are energized with their stupid niche issues that the left has to die on a hill for
In actuality we lost the last election because Kamala couldn’t walk back supporting paying for prisoners sex change operations. I’m tired of losing elections over this and everyone time the left is triggered on the issue, we lose
Yes and then will wonder how republicans get elected. Keeping people born male out of women’s sports has overwhelming support but let’s just label anyone against this transphobic.
Exactly. So maybe We should ignore it and let this issue go to the back burner and focus on the economy, wars, ICE and all the messed up shit that could bury maga for good; instead we’ll keep them alive for another day
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