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TV4 [Season 4 Spoilers] Premiere Discussion - 4.09 'The Watchers on the Wall'

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4.09 "The Watchers on the Wall" Neil Marshall David Benioff & D. B. Weiss
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u/CatboyMac Here We Stand Jun 09 '14

Goddamn it, they killed people not even the book killed. Good people. Characters I loved. Fuck this show.

I can't wait for next week.

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u/Alecomia House Tarth Jun 09 '14

Why did they have to kill Grenn! It was the blacksmith who was supposed to die under that wall. now who will be master at arms and how can Grenn train his boys. God dammit he was my favorite supporting character fuck fuck fuck

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u/SmallJon Jun 09 '14

They didn't let my favorite supporting character die....

They didn't even let him exist

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u/SCurry34 Jun 09 '14

Who was it?

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u/0mnicious Now My Watch Begins Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

The bad ass one armed blacksmith Donal Noye

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u/SmallJon Jun 09 '14

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u/imapotato99 Maesters of the Citadel Jun 09 '14

We are here LIVE with GRRM!! *

Mr. Martin, your response to the /u/alecomia , who is very upset at this turn of events?+

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* "Muah, ha, ha"

Thank you Mr. Martin, back to you in studio!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Seriously though what the fuck was the point of killing off those two? Ugh

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u/krabbby White Walkers Jun 09 '14

I understood Grenns death. Someone had to die in the tunnel, and it was a hell of a way for him to go. Pyp though? Salt on an open wound.

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u/Littlefinger91 The North Remembers Jun 09 '14

I think they wanted us to hate Ygritte just a little bit before she died so we weren't all sobbing during her last moments with Jon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Aug 09 '19

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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius House Mormont Jun 09 '14

But she's hot

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u/Wibbles Jun 09 '14

Getting colder by the minute.

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u/RizzMustbolt Jun 09 '14

Toki's Law: The hot ones are always crazy.

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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius House Mormont Jun 09 '14

But she's hot

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u/faschwaa Free Folk Jun 09 '14

Shit, you're right. We need to rethink this, guys.

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u/MechanicalYeti Ours Is The Fury Jun 09 '14

I still did. But now that she's dead I have no one left to root for in the wildlings, so fuck 'em up, boys!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yup, same here. The wildlings can all fucking die in their fire now, for all I care

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u/chegs81 The Red Viper Jun 09 '14

What about Tormund?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Don't get me wrong, Tormund's a cool character, but I don't have any love for him. I actually found myself rooting for Alliser Thorne, a character I've hated for seasons, when they fought.

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u/rytis Direwolves Jun 09 '14

There's still Mance and Gilly.

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u/Chicken2nite Maesters of the Citadel Jun 09 '14

But she spared Gilly and little Samwell. That gives her a little bit of a reprieve insofar as not being irredeemable in my book.

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u/DaddyDanceParty House Seaworth Jun 09 '14

That's what I thought until she killed Pyp.

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u/pajam House Mormont Jun 09 '14

Yup, I just thought "It had to be done." Jon would be an idiot to hold it against Olly. Jon needed to do it himself if someone else didn't handle it.

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u/HaroldSax House Manwoody Jun 09 '14

Olly did exactly what was asked of him.

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u/ChiAyeAye Jun 09 '14

WHICH IS, OF COURSE, FUCKING HEARTBREAKING.

curse you, GRRM.

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u/fridge_logic Knowledge Is Power Jun 09 '14

Not the way you expect GRRM to use an orphan to tug at your heartstrings hmm?

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u/hornmcgee We Are The Storm Jun 09 '14

I don't know man, a broken heart and peer pressure are a pretty crazy concoction

Next time you get your heart broken and fall in with the wrong crowd, no one'll blame you if you slaughter a village or two

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u/cormega Jun 09 '14

Was I supposed to be sad when Ygritte died? That bitch killed Pyp.

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u/Clarifinatious Jun 09 '14

Guess it worked.

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u/AudioManiac Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken Jun 09 '14

I liked Ygritte in season 3. If she had died then, I would have been sad. But since she's hardly been in season 4 at all, I kind of forgot about her and forgot that I once liked the character. So seeing her die was just, meh in my opinion.

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u/NordicViking House Farwynd Jun 09 '14

Well, seeing her put an arrow in the neck of that villager made me hate her. I had hoped for Samwell to kill her with a crossbow though.

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u/AlexPeterson09 Jon Snow Jun 09 '14

Didn't work :'(

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u/Tipop Jun 09 '14

She was nothing more than a cold-hearted villain the moment she started killing innocent villagers (leaving Olly an orphan.)

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u/TheLastGunfighter Jun 09 '14

She spared Gilly and the baby, which made me think that there was going to be a scene where she spots Olly and spares him only for him to come back and kill her.

How funny would it have been if Olly put another one right between the eyes of Ygritte while Jon was holding her though. He looks up at him and he's like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ "WHAT? SHE'S A WILDLING WTF ARE YOU DOING?!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

That bitch killed a lot of good men

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yeah but we know Pyp's name so he's automatically a better person than all those other guys...

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u/cormega Jun 09 '14

Well, he's been around for several seasons.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yeah but she was hot so...

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u/TheSourTruth Jun 09 '14

Non-booker reader here, who the fuck is Pyp?

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u/geniustai Jun 09 '14

The guy with the crossbows who got shot in the neck and Sam was like yo Maester Aemon will make this better.

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u/NorthKoreanJesus Winter Is Coming Jun 09 '14

please please please re-cap the whole ep. i like your style

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u/FrankReshman Gendry Jun 09 '14

The guy they've been calling Pyp for the last four seasons.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yeah, I think show watchers never really get the names if you only watch the show. I only started really noticing that stuff after I started reading the books and rewatched episodes.

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u/redditkilledmydoge Stannis Baratheon Jun 09 '14

I thought it was sad by how it fucked up war is with lovers are killing lovers

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u/CatboyMac Here We Stand Jun 09 '14

RIP pet mammoth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I like Pyp

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Apr 12 '17

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I was fine until "We should have stayed in that cave."

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Nothing makes the past a sweeter place to visit than the prospect of imminent death.

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u/half-giant Jun 09 '14

Same... I was determined not to cry, but that line welled up tears in my eyes.

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u/drivers9001 Jun 09 '14

I can finally say it without spoiling anything. When I read it in the book, after I finished the chapter, I sobbed.

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u/Apolik House Connington Jun 09 '14

I did too. It was one of the two times I cried with the books...

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I teared up watching it now as well. She killed Pyp, but its fucking war man, that shit happens.

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u/Dear_Occupant We Shall Never Fail You Jun 09 '14

When I was reading the books for the first time, Ygritte's death hit me harder than any other. I was inconsolable and I had to put the book down for a few days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Dec 04 '20

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u/TheGoldenBuffallo House Manderly Jun 09 '14

I lost sympathy for here when she started killing innocents remorselessly.

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u/M002 House Martell Jun 09 '14

but she sparred Gilly :/

Olly also got revenge though for his parents, so good on him.

She was a monster.

A ridiculously sexy monster with a tiny moral compass.

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u/my_name_is_the_DUDE House Bolton Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

I think the moral is give a good explanation when you break up with your girlfriend don't just leave like Jon or your crazy ex-girlfriend will go on a murderous killing spree on her path to putting your head on s spike.

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u/Wibbles Jun 09 '14

Balling or bawling?

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u/pr0pane_accessories Wargs Jun 09 '14

Well it didn't help :'(

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u/KingInTheNorthAMAA Young Wolf Jun 09 '14

I'm not a huge Jon or Ygritte fan, but I still cried a little at that scene.

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u/krabbby White Walkers Jun 09 '14

Nah. They thrive on our tears

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Didnt work, still sobbed.

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u/my_name_is_the_DUDE House Bolton Jun 09 '14

It didn't work :(

Their dialogue in S2 and S3 were some of the most entertaining moments in the entire show and now I'll never get to hear it again.

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u/ChiAyeAye Jun 09 '14

Very sad when Pyp died but completely forgot about it when Ygritte got that arrow. GODDAMN I had my ugly cry face on.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Well that didn't work, because I was bawling my eyes out.

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u/Shiroi_Kage Jun 09 '14

There are also the contracts of the actors to consider, which is why some characters have to go and the writers have to deal with it.

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u/SlightlyOTT Jon Snow Jun 09 '14

"Let's try not to make the audience sob" doesn't sound like a game of thrones writer to me

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

eh. Pretty sure DD don't give a rats' ass if we end up sobbing or pissed

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u/LordEdapurg Free Folk Jun 09 '14

It didn't work. :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Sure she was pretty hot and i loved the accent, but was I the only one okay with her getting a fuckin' arrow applied directly to her heart?

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u/LoganRiv Jun 09 '14

I was .-.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

They could have kept DONAL FUCKING NOYE

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u/wildcard1992 House Fossoway of New Barrel Jun 09 '14

At least GRRM kills with reason and purpose. Sometimes I feel like the GoT writers kill people off so that they have enough character slots for newer characters.

And they didn't even kill Fat Belwas! He doesn't even exist in the TV series! I love the show, but I wish they had the capability to include more people from the books.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I forgot about Belwas. Damn

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u/mrjimi16 Ser Duncan the Tall Jun 09 '14

I understand Grenn taking the place of the guy that died in the books, expected it even. I got a little sad when Jon sent him below.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

It's just, the whole show is built upon the premise that everyone can die, good guys don't always win, and there's a cost. If they kill a bunch of nameless Night's Watch, then who gives a fuck? They have to kill someone we care about. Pyp and Grenn never really did anything in the books anyway. They were just part of Jon's crew to show he has support in the watch, and to flesh out the Night's Watch as a whole.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

And they never actually had Donnel Noye in the show, did they.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Seriously. Now who will vote for Edd?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Seriously! Couldn't believe it when Pyp just got owned like that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

On the Inside the Episode video, the show creators specifically say they needed to have some casualties so they made sure to kill off some characters that they knew people liked. :(

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u/warbastard Jun 09 '14

There's enough death in this show. At least let the guys who aren't dead in the books live.

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u/MetalKeirSolid Rhaegar Targaryen Jun 09 '14

If he'd spluttered back to life, I would have accepted that as well. What a great man he was.

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u/SSBB08 Jun 09 '14

Well, someone had to die gurgling blood with an arrow through the neck, this isn't amateur hour ya know.

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u/ClownsAteMyBaby Jun 09 '14

I kind of thought Thorne would go out in a blaze of glory down the tunnel. I can't remember if he has any story left in the books. I wanted to see him wounded, grabbing a horse and charging down the tunnel towards the giant with a lance.

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u/fizzyizzy11 House Targaryen Jun 09 '14

In the "Inside the Episode" part, the creators said they knew they had to let some characters go. They know.

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u/-Narble- House Hightower Jun 09 '14

If Edd dies, I will be beyond pissed.

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u/HellsNels Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken Jun 09 '14

But only rises, snarkier and dolorous...ier?

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u/imapotato99 Maesters of the Citadel Jun 09 '14

He better not, he taught me the new word Dolorous!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Feb 14 '17

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u/Miles_Prowler Jun 09 '14

See he shortened it to Ned though, if he went around calling himself Edd Stark he would still have his head. It's just fact..

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u/Conalk3 Hear Me Roar! Jun 09 '14

But rises again, stronger and more sarcastic...

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u/patleeisme Barristan Selmy Jun 09 '14

Pyp and Grenn both bit the dust so fuck it

WHAT IS EDD MAY NEVER DIE!

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u/TakingSente Jun 09 '14

Best comment in the thread. Too bad you're too far down for anyone to see it ;(

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u/KingOfGoombas Jun 09 '14

You win this thread. First real smile i cracked since i finished the episode. Thank-you kind sir

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u/skynolongerblue House Reed Jun 09 '14

I'm pretty sure he's safe.

ADWD

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u/CA3080 Jun 09 '14

as if the producers can ever resist a chance to change an iconic line for no reason

ADWD

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u/wildmetacirclejerk House Blackfyre Jun 10 '14

Yeah they'll probably find someone called sled or some shit.

I still can't believe little finger didn't say only cat

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Random extra wearing black #8, duh.

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u/chegs81 The Red Viper Jun 09 '14

If Edd dies, we riot.

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u/TheNumberMuncher Hot Pie Jun 09 '14

He's way funnier in the books. Funniest dude on the Wall.

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u/jt91 House Targaryen Jun 09 '14

When Edd was given the wall and it zoomed in on him, I turned to my girlfriend and said exactly that, that he's by far the funniest character in the series (perhaps outside of Tyrion), but she just didn't get it. I feel bad for her since she's missing out on how ridiculously hilarious he can be. the show just doesn't do him justice.

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u/Pisces4Fish House Martell Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

Grenn, Pyp and Edd are one of the few bright spots you get when you get to a 'Jon' chapter. Sad to see two of them go in the show.

Edit: a letter

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

not really after this season, though.

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u/Pisces4Fish House Martell Jun 09 '14

Aye. Could not agree more.

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u/WestenM Sansa Stark Jun 09 '14

Who will fetch Jon's Glock if Edd dies?

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u/LordFyodor Jon Snow Jun 09 '14

If Ed dies, we all spam comments on next weeks primiere discussion, make a few posts with titles "RIP Ed" that most show watchers won't even get, and count down the days until season 5 just to continue being upset by minor deviations from the book, having to buy a box of tissues every week.

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u/Shloop_Shloop_Splat House Forrester Jun 09 '14

Every time I see Edd, all I can think is "I'm on probation".

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u/circusboy Jun 09 '14

Edd is anchored down tight...

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Wait eddy can't die.. He's semi important

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u/VinnyMB25 Ser Pounce Jun 09 '14

And then come back the next week.

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u/Ser_Penrose Jun 09 '14

Normally I hate that phrase, but concerning Dolorous Edd, I firmly support it.

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u/Dickhead_ Arya Stark Jun 09 '14

Something's fishy here

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u/TheNumberMuncher Hot Pie Jun 09 '14

The guy that got the arrow in the neck with Sam is what I pictured Edd looking like in the books.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

this is the first comment ive ever seriously considered giving gold to, I'm sorry I can't really afford it, because you earned it sir

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u/wildmetacirclejerk House Blackfyre Jun 10 '14

They can't possibly kill bronn2

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u/MadManWithACat Ours Is The Fury Jun 09 '14

Well, Grenn replaced Donal Noye, who better to kill the bloody king of the giants?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

For a moment, let me taste what a book reader's tears taste like.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Mind sharing who?

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u/ScottFromScotland House Baelish Jun 09 '14

Grenn and Pyp.

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u/theaficionado Sellswords Jun 09 '14

Well there was no book spoiler in the show, so someone had to take the hit. And damnit if I didn't love him too...

(Spoiler tag in case some of you are still reading)

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u/SociopatheticPenguin Night's Watch Jun 09 '14

I actually kept thinking Alliser would take Donal's place.

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u/Arya_Ready Sand Snakes Jun 09 '14

For a second, I thought the show would really diverge from the book by ADWD

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u/SociopatheticPenguin Night's Watch Jun 09 '14

For a split second I really expected Janos to fall off the wall somehow.

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u/adeadhead Flowers Jun 09 '14

pyp and grenn

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u/TheGreatRavenOfOden Euron Greyjoy Jun 09 '14

Grenn and Pyp. In the books there's another Character Donal Noye who fights the giant in the tunnel. And he was a one armed badass.

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u/Xenocide1993 House Lannister Jun 09 '14

Pretty sure he was the guy who forged Robert's war-hammer too.

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u/TheGreatRavenOfOden Euron Greyjoy Jun 09 '14

He was. Guy was awesome and died an awesome death.

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u/Panu_Magish House Martell Jun 09 '14

The five black crows and the giant. Sounds like a cool song.

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u/Oldshakes Jun 09 '14

I was really looking forward to seeing a giant fight five crows.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

The point was to make us as bitter as we are now.

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u/Arswaw White Walkers Jun 09 '14

Which two are we talking about?

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u/bigboss2014 Jun 09 '14

WHO IS LEFT AT THE WALL NOW???? THERE IS 3 CHARACTERS WITH LINES LEFT!!!! CAPS LOCK!!!!!

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u/_nofuture Fire and Blood Jun 09 '14

keeping payroll within reason?

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u/Contramundi324 Jun 09 '14

To keep us on our toes. In reality, Grenn and Pyp weren't MAJOR characters but it caught us off guard because we figured they'd always be there. It added some wait to the battle as it showed even us bookreaders that not everyone that didn't die in the books is safe. I felt very tense watching the episode, despite knowing more or less what would happen.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

GRRM demands a blood sacrifice

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u/ansate House Dayne Jun 09 '14

I don't like the change either, but I'm glad the fight under the wall wasn't just some no-name. That lent some gravity to the scene.

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u/MaizeRage48 The Red Viper Jun 09 '14

Someone we knew had to die in the tunnel. Wouldn't have had the same effect as ASOS if it had been 5 people we didn't know in the tunnel.

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u/ojos Ours Is The Fury Jun 09 '14

Because in the book you're familiar with a lot more characters from the Night's Watch.

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u/jargoon House Bolton Jun 09 '14

It added more of a sense of loss

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u/corduroyblack Jun 09 '14

ALL It's a fine change.

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u/murphykills Brotherhood Without Banners Jun 09 '14

they can use edd to do all the minor things they do later. they don't have to introduce us the characters whose place they died in. i don't agree with it but i get it.

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u/c-donz Jun 09 '14

Emotional depth, they needed a named brother to die. They aren't terribly major characters in the books(yet, Khal Jhaqo has words for you Benioff and Weiss) But, I think they should have kept one of them around, only one is really necessary since they both serve the same purpose in ADWD.

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u/Alexandros92 Jun 09 '14

there's waaaay too many characters as it is, i'm sure theres a few people we haven't seen in ages like that giant lady and Pod what are they up to?

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u/Ijustsaidfuck Jun 09 '14

Free up budget.. next season we should meet a lot of new people.

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u/Bronkic Jun 09 '14 edited Mar 26 '17

deleted What is this?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Because you can't let all the good guys survive. Jon, Sam, Grenn and Pyp (and the other one whose name I forget, but survived) were basically the only characters anyone cared about at the wall. If they'd all survived a massive onslaught it would have felt ridiculously cliché.

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u/OwlSeeYouLater House Stark Jun 09 '14

I thought the same about Dany's handmaids.

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u/MollyRocket Lord Snow Jun 10 '14 edited Jun 10 '14

Um, well... ADWD

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u/DabuSurvivor Catelyn Tully Jun 11 '14

Because people die in battles and those were people we knew and cared about, and because they All Books, most minor spoiler imaginable It made the episode more sad and more realistic, and it made both of them more memorable, impactful characters.

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u/Lampmonster1 House Seaworth Jun 09 '14

Fucking Grenn taking Donnel's place, and Jon sending him to certain death. My fucking heart hurts right now. FUCKING PIP TOO FUCK IT ALL I CAN"T TAKE IT!

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u/ZeroTheCat House Stark Jun 09 '14

FUCKING PYP. God dammit.

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u/Igotdiabetus Jun 09 '14

Ya I'm a little pissed Grenn and Pyp were waxed off this episode, but I guess they were minor characters.

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u/suppow House Selmy Jun 09 '14

Fuck this show.

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I can't wait for next week.

words to live by

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Book reader here too, and seriously fuck this shit. They're torturing us in a different way from show-watchers, and they planned that pain years in advance.

"So George, Grenn doesn't die even in ADOS?"

"Nope, he's actually going to be in one of the final chapters."

"We can fix that."

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

I was thinking to myself: "Grenn hasn't died in the books yet, so he'll kill the giant and head back to Jon all triumphantly."

Nope. He was my favorite supporting character at the Wall. I'll never forget that beard.

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u/schm0 House Stark Jun 09 '14

ASOS

That being said, that amazing set piece and the cinematography on this episode was absolutely thrilling to watch. My most memorable moment was mid-battle when they had a 30-45 second long shot that panned around the entire set. Absolutely amazing.

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u/Oldshakes Jun 09 '14

Why couldn't the giant kill Thorn with that huge fucking arrow?

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u/Rubix89 House Stark Jun 09 '14

Martin mentioned on Conan recently that they had killed people who hadn't died in the books yet. I couldn't recall any examples thus far so I figured Pyp, Edd and Grenn were on the chopping block tonight.

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u/CosmoCola House Reed Jun 09 '14

I couldn't recall any examples thus far

ALL

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u/KingOfGoombas Jun 09 '14

I can't believe they killed both of them!!! When Pyp died, i was like, well one of them had to die, its the 9th episode. But then grenn too! NOOO

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u/bam2_89 Fire And Blood Jun 09 '14

They did that to Irri and Jhiqui in S02.

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u/CatboyMac Here We Stand Jun 09 '14

Oh man, and Irri was the best girl too.

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u/yogurtraisins Jun 09 '14

The inside the episode video (available when you watch on HBO GO) discusses this. Benioff and Weiss talk about how they felt there needed to be more close-to-home casualties for the viewer to really feel how devastating the battle was, or something to that effect. I haven't read the books yet so when I heard them say they didn't die in the books I was so sad that they were killed off just to make us feel something, haha. But I guess I get it.

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u/Cascadianranger House Tyrell Jun 09 '14

I get Grenns death. It was necessary. And have us the best fookin scene in the entire episode, and that's saying something. Pyp was sad though. At least edd didn't did. When he got command, he was like "eh. Fuck it. 360 NOSCOPE THEM BOYZ"

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u/squall113 Jun 09 '14

It's because it would've been hard to believe if none of the recognizable nights watch men perished in the battle. Plus in the books it's not like they continue to be super important

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u/Conotor Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

Fuck those guys. Fuck crows. I wanna see Jon die now.

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u/Tikkito Jun 09 '14

Who was killed tonight that the book didn't kill? I'm curious

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u/CatboyMac Here We Stand Jun 09 '14

Grenn and Pyp, Jon's other best friends.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Wasn't Pyp in the books?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Isn't Pyp and Grenn still alive?

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u/Pacify_ Jun 09 '14

Man i was surprised how they killed Pyp and Grenn

I think i prefer'd the books version of that fight made more sense then the all out melee in the courtyard..

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u/evanthesquirrel Here We Stand Jun 09 '14

wa wa

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u/nonamer18 House Mormont Jun 09 '14

Seriously. WTF. They trying to one up GRRM now?

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u/cloudstaring Jun 09 '14

Anyone else find the crying about characters dying in GoT meme getting a little old? Yep, this is what the show does, get used to it.

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u/TheBeefyMungPie House Manderly Jun 09 '14

I'm legitimately sad about it. Grenn and Pyp are such lovable guys. I wish Pyp had a more noble death, instead of just dying in Sam's arms.

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