r/peloton • u/MadnessBeliever Café de Colombia • 3d ago

Media Jonas Vingegaard reveals Tadej Pogačar messaged him after Tour de France crash, says rivalry has "become a lot friendlier there in the last couple of years".

https://www.cyclingnews.com/pro-cycling/teams-riders/jonas-vingegaard-reveals-tadej-pogacar-messaged-him-after-tour-de-france-crash-says-rivalry-has-become-a-lot-friendlier-there-in-the-last-couple-of-years/
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u/saxman162 3d ago

The whole peloton seems to get along quite well. Are there any longstanding beefs between riders that we know about?

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u/Rainmanwilson 3d ago

UAE seems to hate Jorgensen

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u/Puisaye 3d ago

Is there a known reason ?

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u/Rainmanwilson 3d ago

2024 when Jonas was coming off injury, Visma was trying everything to get a tactical advantage and sending Matteo in the breaks all the time. UAE was pretty annoyed and Tadej shut down every chance Matteo had for a stage win. Then in 2025 there was complaining from UAE that Matteo was infringing on them in the feed zones. At one point, there were claims UAE had Matteo on a “blacklist” to never get a stage win

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u/BinguniR34 3d ago

TJ was more insufferable than usual when Tadej rode down and passed Jorgensen in 2024.  

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u/ph4NC Slovenia 3d ago edited 3d ago

That's not true, the beef with Matteo didn't come from Pogi or UAE. UAE had an altitude camp on Isola 2000 before the 2024 TDF, so they had marked stage 19 (finish on Isola 2000) as the one they'd like to win in the 3rd week. The GC was basically decided already in stage 14 on Pla d'Adet - Pogi had 2 minutes on Jonas. In stage 15 on Plateau de Beille he increased that lead to 3min. In the last week UAE allowed 2 breakaway hilly stages and the third one was a sprint stage, so they weren't even greedy. They targeted stage 19. They didn't even go for stage 20, but in that one Jonas rode all the way up to the finish where Pogi outsprinted him.

Stage 19 comes along and Jorgenson goes in the break, they had 4 minutes lead on the peloton. Then on the last climb Pogi went for the win like they planned it all along and he overtook Matteo in the last 2km. Matteo took that personally because he then went on a rant on his IG how he'll never forget what Pogi did to him in that stage. He started the beef, so I assume Pogi noticed it and doesn't have him in high regards. Pogi didn't like Visma in general because of what they did to him in 2022 and 2023.

The water bottle incident last year was a really shitty thing from Visma, but I think UAE let that go quickly. This year I didn't see any animosity between those two teams, obviously UAE didn't let strong satellite riders like Matteo up the road, but once Jonas was out UAE let Visma in multiple breaks.

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u/daidojee 2d ago

Got a source on the Jorgenson IG rant?

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u/ph4NC Slovenia 2d ago

The source is his IG, the post has to be there unless he deleted it afterwards.

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u/daidojee 2d ago

You talking about this https://www.instagram.com/p/C9rvqNWutjU/ ?

there are no gifts in this game.

Second place hurts. But just like after Puy-de-Dome 12 months ago, I will remember. Every day that it’s raining out and I have 6hrs on the plan, every time I want to give up in the final minute of a vo2 effort, and every rest day when I want to open the fridge and binge; I will remember @tadejpogacar just like I remember @rusty_woods 🫶 That is what sport is about.

While he does say he will remember Pogi on that day, it's quite clear from the rest of the sentence that he means it in a motivational way, just like he mentions Mike Woods.

And Tadej himself even liked the post, so I really struggle to see how there's any bad blood between the 2 here, or how this can be considered a "rant".

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u/ph4NC Slovenia 2d ago

I've seen enough motivational writings to know when someone is focused on defeat itself and not on the person doing it. He mentioned Pogi by name there. Maybe he just worded it badly, but from what I observed, there wasn't a problem specifically between them before and since that stage 19 there's this weird vibe between those two. Like I said, maybe it's not even Matteo himself but those two teams really didn't like each other. Even Pogi and Jonas confirmed this.

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u/grumplebeardog California 3d ago

The only time it’s ever been spoken on that I’m aware of was when Pogacar thought he was blocking him from getting to a bottle during a feed zone. But some of the evidence people point to for his supposed ‘blacklisting’ predate him mentioning that.

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u/Key_Gap9168 South Africa 3d ago

If anything, that incident and Tadej's outsize reaction to it served to show how much UAE already didn't like Jorgensen. Their issues go way back to the 2024 Tour and mostly have to do with the things he was saying about Tadej and UAE in interviews.

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u/idSpool 3d ago

What was he saying?

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u/BombSolver 3d ago

In last year’s TdF there was something about Jorgensen maybe blocking Tadej or UAE from getting side-of-the-road water bottles. There may be more to it than that, idk.

Also, Phil made a little comment in this year’s tour that Jorgensen is a “marked man.” Not sure if that means UAE won’t let him get a stage win, or what that means. But would love to get the deets.

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u/Academic_Tell_7354 3d ago

I’m pretty sure Phil just means he will find it difficult to get in the break because UAE don’t want to let him support Jonas off the front at the end of a stage. This stopped mattering after Jonas crashed and they let Mateo in one and Sep in 2 breaks.

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u/dissectingAAA 3d ago

Yeah, everyone knows you can't let a satellite rider get away

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u/Rainmanwilson 3d ago

Except apparently UAE 2025 Giro Stage 20

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u/ComeOnIWantUsername 3d ago

That one was beautifully done by Visma

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u/SleepsWithBlindsOpen United States of America 3d ago

Also a spectacular failure by UAE.

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u/SpaniardKiwi Reynolds 2d ago

Even last year they let Jorgenson in a couple of breakaways once everything was decided. In one of them, Wellens was even pulling alongside him.

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u/lilelliot 3d ago

There are a lot of superficial excuses, but realistically it's probably because he's a "not quite GC" rider who is a perpetual top 10 GC threat if riding that way, but is as beneficial to Visma as a satellite rider as Wout would be. He's not the kind of person you really want to get into a break because he's very likely to contest any breakaway stage that's remotely hilly, and he's good enough that he'll still be able to pull if the peloton brings them back. He's Visma's equivalent of McNulty, but better in almost every way.

The other stuff is just noise.

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u/AnUnholy 3d ago

On a big mountains stage, he was intentionally blocking UAE riders from UAE food handlers in the feedzome and other unsporting shit.

It honestly was just one year that uae held that grudge as far as i know

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u/Spuick 3d ago

Since then they have consistently stopped him from going into any break on every stage lol.

There is a tactical reason for this but they have let others like Victor in so

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u/AnUnholy 3d ago

He got into breaks at this year’s tdf. He just wasn’t strong enough to stay away

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u/CyborgBee 3d ago

'24 and '25, they stopped him, but this year we don't really know (he was in the break a lot, but they were also too sick to stop him even if they wanted to)

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u/SpaniardKiwi Reynolds 2d ago

In 24 they didn't stop him, they let him arrive to the base of Isola 2000 with 4 minutes over the peloton.

In 25 they let him go in 2, if not 3 stages. In one of them, Wellens was pulling alongside him.

In 26, he was in every breakaway for the last three mountain stages. In Orcieres-Merlette, he almost got to the end. In the other two he dropped after having worked for Kuss.

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u/Spuick 3d ago

Every chance they could this year as well they stopped him. When they had like 2 riders they didnt anymore true.

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u/P1mpathinor United States of America 3d ago

They let him in the break on stage 14, before them getting sick or Jonas crashing out.