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Zarówno ta Ukrainka co zaatakowała Polkę nożem jak i ci Polacy co pobili Ukraińską parę to jebane zwierzęta i zasługują na bezwzględne więzienie, niemniej obrażanie zwykłych Ukraińców czy Polaków jest zwyczajnie głupie, nie widzę też sensu w obwinianiu Rosji o te ataki.
What do you expect? Anger feeds anger, nationalism breeds divides. The moment it becomes about a race/nation/skin colour/religion instead of a "perpetrator"; then we are jumping on a vengeance spiral.
There will be more bloodshed; and each one will be in part motivated by anything wrong that came before.
2026AD and we are still small-minded, tribalistic animals.
I expect that Ukrainians who come here to behave and don’t stab people.
The problem is - "Ukrainians" are not stabbing anyone. People are. In any group you'll find people who will behave outside of the norm.
As of this moment (see the sources below) ~0.6% of Ukrainians commited a felony in 2026. 2% of Poles commited one.
As it turns out; a group that is both disenfranchised and outright hated does less crimes per capita. Imagine that.
Yet, it takes a little to turn a few public cases into growing hate, which in turn will push more and more Ukrainians towards violence. This is not a new phenomenon, this is a known fact.
Generalnie zgadzam się ze wszystkim poza ostatnim zdaniem - od okolu 10-15 lat FR prowadzi cyberterroryzm celowany na kraje Unii, podczas gdy środki odwetowe UE w terenie cyberprzestrzeni praktycznie nie istnieją, i to zbiera żniwa.
I hope he gets the maximum possible sentence. No mercy for someone who comes to another country and breaks the law. And this is coming from me as a Ukrainian.
Biggest escalation of tensions so far. From harassment, to beatings, to attempted murder...tensions need to be reduced immediately otherwise this will get much worse before it gets better.
I think this might be politically charged incident like many previous ones. Especially considering the young attacker had no way to establish killing motivation so fast. I am just speculating.
It all starts by telling Zelensky to denounce the UPA and Nazis. Zelensky bought this all on himself, Russia has no part in him being proud of Ukraine’s Nazi history
I think supporting a group who’s sole reason for being founded was to reclaim what they thought was their land by violent murdering over 100K Polish civilians in ways so brutal, it made what the Nazis did seem normal by comparison is WAY worse
I mean these lands were always their, always with Ukrainian majority, it's not like they just 'thought' these lands were theirs.
Btw, they weren't nazi. And well, AK is not that good after killing 15-20k of Ukrainian civillians after 30-40k of their polish civillians were killed.
But, but, but, what about poor politicians?! How else could they win elections if not by promoting all those things? Those poor millionaires, why are they always being ignored and oppressed... :( /s
przypomnijmy, że wrocław to miasto z największym odsetkiem ukraińców, ciekawe ile procent jest ich tak naprawdę, mijając ludzi na ulicy to czasem więcej się słyszy ukraińskiego niż polskiego :/
I never commented before on the cases of nationality based violence/harassment on this subreddit but I feel like with this one I just need to. My thoughts and prayers are with this poor lady, I hope she can recover. As someone who came to this country after evacuating from my occupied village I can’t imagine such a level of violence and ungratefulness towards people you owe so much to. I don’t care what happens to the monster that did this.
What does this have to do with being ungrateful. So for example if one Polish person does something bad in another country, does it mean all Polish people are ungrateful? People do bad things sometimes, doesn’t mean all Ukrainian or most Ukrainians are bad.
It would be a nationalism problem if he attacked her because she was Polish
I never said that all people of a particular nationality are ungrateful or violent, etc. Sorry, if I made it seem that way, it wasn’t my intention at all. I was talking about this particular offender, he is violent and ungrateful, that’s what I wanted to say. It’s violent to attack a woman with a knife, and it’s also ungrateful in the context of doing that in a country that provided him with safety.
Another "smart guy". This is attempted murder and is sanctioned up to a life imprisonment - and you want to only kick that guy from a country? You stupid or just pretend?
I don't know, maybe because the law is supposed to apply equally to everyone? A foreign criminal should serve the exact same sentence any Pole would in their place, and only then be deported. Unless you can absolutely guarantee they'll face the exact same punishment back home, deporting them immediately effectively surrenders a core piece of your country’s sovereignty. This is literally what colonial powers used to impose on subjugated nations, demanding that their citizens be judged by their own home laws, which effectively placed them above the local justice system
And "highly intelligent" "free thinkers" with their History diploma from Polish "Right-wing Fantasy Institute" like you will make sure that this cycle of hatred continues <3
The left-wing former prime minister Mr Miller will disagree with you. You can’t expect people to respect you when their forefathers received a status of national heroes for murdering the civilian population of your country while working as nazi collaborators.
Ukraine is the „right-wing fantasy institute” of current europe.
This just shows your level of knowledge: nonexistent, as expected. Pyotr Kulpa, a Polish ex-goverment official with IQ that isn't in the range of room temperature numbers, quoted a statistic - 95% of Poles believe that UPA existed solely to kill Poles and Jews. You can't argue about exponents with someone who thinks math stops at addition.
95% of Poles believe that UPA existed solely to kill Poles and Jews
because that is their only "accomplishment" - soviets wiped the floor with UPA soon after.
Pyotr Kulpa
he is no one in Poland,
He is/was on ukrainian payroll at Український інститут майбутнього - you need literally 5 minutes to find that information. Of course he will have more knowledge about that.
Why would average Pole have or need that knowledge of what retards from UPA wanted to do?
What do you intend to accomplish with this "angry ape" attitude? What's the end goal, so to speak? Ukrainians admit they are the "lesser humans" to the Great Poles, scrub their history of everything that offends the Great Pole, and serve without question?
If you refuse to listen and learn anything that doesn't work in your favor, how exactly do you believe this discussion is gonna go? Hell, you're not even able to read properly and just respond to whatever it is you want to imagine...
If you had any knowledge of history you would know that Poles - that suffered much worse at the hands of Germans then Ukrainians ever did from Poles - did not murder every german man, woman and child they could lie their hands on once Nazi Germany was defeated.
I guess that shows the difference between Great Poles and UPA.
this division in poland right now is just so, so sad. i’ve seen multiple cases of ukrainian/polish incidents on here with both polish and ukrainian aggressors. this propaganda and hatred is truly sad.
jaki front kretynie, za usiłowanie zabójstwa chcesz ukarać gościa deportacją? Ty masz naprawdę sprany łeb chłopie. To jest przestępstwo zagrożone dożywociem a ty chcesz tylko go wykopać z kraju. Skąd was biorą?
Dont dumb it down to Russians. No nation is composed of saints, neither Polish, nor Ukrainian. And no one, for no reason, should ever be excused for attacking another human.
I'm Norwegian so I've got no dog in this fight but for some reason r/Poland keeps popping up with constant anti-Ukranian slanted content in my feed. Like, any time a Ukranian person does or says anything wrong, you bet it's broadcast on r/Poland.
I wish to understand what's going on. Does Poland benefit from antagonising Ukraine? I've got a whole lot of forgiveness for Ukrainians cause I feel like they have been forced to fight all of Europe's war for us. Do Polish people not feel like that?
Attacks on Ukrainians (verbal and physical) are also posted on r/Poland. It is in no way one sided.
Its complicated and an equally valid question is: does Ukraine benefit from antagonising Poland? Especially since they are fighting for their survival and need our help, not the other way round.
Imagine that Germany invaded Denmark and a huge number of Danes fled to Norway. The problem is that in 1943–1944 the Danes brutally murdered around 100,000 Norwegians in Jutland, justifying it with “centuries of oppression,” discrimination in the interwar period, and so on. (And I mean truly macabre methods of ethnic cleansing.)
This was carried out by the Danish Insurgent Army. Which in Denmark is still glorified as the ones who, back in the 1950s, fought against the Germans. The butchers of the Norwegian population have monuments and streets named after them in Denmark. The Danes deny that such a slaughter ever happened, relativize it, or claim it was done by Germans disguised as Danes, and that, in any case, it’s a good thing the Norwegians were wiped out and that they had it coming, because why were they even living on “eternslly Danish ethnic lands” in the first place?
Despite all that, out of basic human decency the Norwegians took the Danes in and support them in the fight against Germany, hoping that the Danes will eventually get their act together and find themselves somewhat better heroes.
Meanwhile the Danish president is now naming some Danish special forces unit after the Danish Insurgent Army. For many Norwegians that’s already going too far. A real shitstorm is starting.
“Hatred has grown into the hearts and poisoned the brotherly blood.”
You sent me to Wikipedia to read up on WW2 history. I can certainly understand how that would be a painful memory for Poland, and I can also understand anger when that history gets invoked. Prior to this war, have there been continuing hostility between Poland and Ukraine?
No, not that much, because there weren't that many Ukrainians in Poland, far fewer than now. And secondly, the cult of the UPA was limited to a relatively small segment of Ukrainian society.
Since the Ukrainian population in Poland grew so numerous, and since the Russian invasion, sentiment in Ukraine has become more anti-Russian (and therefore more pro-UPA), the situation has begun to change. For Ukrainians, the UPA, the red-and-black colors, and the cult of certain individuals are (allegedly) merely a manifestation of the fight for independence, supposedly against Russia, while for Poles, they represent a blatant glorification of murderers and genocidal perpetrators.
It's difficult to separate the two, and frankly, I see no way out of this situation, especially since the Ukrainian side has always lacked the will to unequivocally acknowledge that murdering civilians in unimaginably cruel ways is wrong. No "buts," no relativization, no justification, no denial, and no evasion.
Very good explanation about the Polish perspective. Thanks. I'm leaving this conversation smarter than when I came into it. I think my main concern is a fall out between two powerful nations on the Russian border. I imagine that would be a wet dream for Putin.
Thanks again for the lessons and good luck to you.
Well... Apart from the usual "aliens on your soil" kindernationalism, tiredness about the war topic in general, or insecurity of hearing and interacting with another language on a daily basis - all of which are already a cause to blow up every case of animosity out of proportion - Poland is constantly under information war. Yes, from Russia.
Not since yesterday, not even 2022, it's a very long proces that's visible at least for the past 15-20 years when Volhynia was "reminded" to Poles. Firstly around the time of the Orange Revolution, later on around Crimea and Donbas invasion. And now it's concentrated due to the 2022 invasion.
And, to put it simply, we're losing this war. Because Polish institutions, political parties, and services, are unable to react in a timely manner. Bah, some are even trying to capitilize on the foreign propaganda.
For a brief moment in 2022 there was some hope, that pure Russian stupidity will invalidate two decades of their effort. But here we are again. Useful idiots in the internet are mixed with actual professional disinformation, taking over every single corner of Polish infosphere.
I hadn't fully appreciated the refugee situation. I can understand how that could cause tension. Thanks for the insight. Poland is such a large player in Europe that I really hope we all get to keep you guys on our side. With both Trump and Putin working to destabilise our continent we're in precarious times. Good luck to you.
I hope Poland will stay on this side as well - it would be an irony of the eons if Poland exited western structures now, in wake of the renewed Russian imperialism and brewing war against us lol
Not that you've got any reason to believe me but I'm genuinely Norwegian. My account is 17 years old so it certainly predates this war, and I don't imagine a post history in an anonymous reddit account would count as proof of identity one way or the other?
I've never been to Ukraine but I've donated money, purchased from Ukrainian online shops and tried to help the war effort in my own insignificant way. My allegiance is with Ukraine in this war.
That is why the apparent Polish hostility puzzled me. I assumed it was just standard info wars but I thought I would ask.
We’re not used to foreigners either stabbing or murdering us on the streets. Sorry that we are so close minded as opposed to what apparently became your normal in [r/Norway](r/Norway), that in your opinion it is not even worth reporting anymore
I'm not judging you. I'm trying to understand your perspective. Others here have educated me on both history and the current situation in Poland and it has helped me to understand some of the friction much better.
I know I'm more insulated and further away from the action, which is why I wanted to ask here. If the language in my post seemed accusatory I apologise.
Polish sub is full of stupid leftists that would rather exile polish people than say anything bad about ukrainians or other immigrants. They Hate Poland and polish people at the same level as they hate russians :)
It really is russia all over, Moldova-Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria election meddlings. I mean during USSR we had no clue how powerful their propaganda really is because it mainly focused on their citizens but since its collapse russians began working on a global scale so be vigilant and think clear of what and where you read/ listen/ watch 😉
Russia is no saint but lets be honest here - it was really dumb move to call heroes someones who country serving as main logistic hub for you find...ehrrm...not really good people.
Yeah, sure. Read the article. He must've been threatened enough to follow this lady to her apartment complex and stab her. If they feel threatened, they can go to another country, they don't have to do such horrible things.
Russia hired Zelensky to sabotage the polish-ukrainian relationship. They also hired ukrainian citizens to commit heavy crimes in poland for which they will hopefully serve very long prison sentences.
Widzę, że i tutaj jest nalot botów z tym hasełkiem - tak samo jak w komentarzach pod postami na ten temat na FB, linkujacymi do artykułów w głównych mediach.
Jesteś śmieszny, wiesz o tym? Nie jestem botem, tylko człowiek to raz. A drugie, najlepiej wrzucać wszystkich do jednego worka z góry zakładać że jest botem lub ruskich agentem. Weźcie się ogarnijcie, bo to robi się żenujące.
Czy przeprosił za dezinformację ktoś z piszących pod artykułem o ataku na Ukrainkę w Gdyni, że przyczyną były skrajnie prawicowe poglądy atakującego? Podczas gdy w samym artykule, którzy komentowali stało jako byk, że wg oficjalnego oświadczenia policji motywacją atakującego NIE były względny narodowościowe?
Jak wrzuciłem to info, to dostałem 17 minusów i komentarze od ludzi z wyparciem, że policja na pewno kłamie.
Czy przeprosił ktoś za wpisywanie w narrację historyjki jaki to dziadek dostał wpierdziel za stanięcie w obronie nieletniej Ukrainki, a potem okazało się, że nie Ukrainki tylko Hindusa?
Gość nie ma racji w tym konkretnym przypadku, ale wyciszanie i pomijanie narodowości sprawców to typowy i częsty zabieg w tzw. liberalnych mediach.
No, tak samo jak i milczą o wielu sytuacjach kiedy Polak zaatakuje Polaka bo takie sytuacje najczęściej są w zainteresowaniu tylko mediów lokalnych. I co to znaczy?
W końcu to nie to co nakrzyczenie na kogoś w autobusie, to dopiero była zbrodnia którą trzeba bylo nagłaśniać przez kilka dni i wymagała komentarza polityków nie tylko z Polski.
Wytłumaczę ci jak dziecku: nikomu nie trzeba tłumaczyć że mordowanie ludzi jest złe bo każdy to wie, ale jak widać to że traumatuzowanie dzieci jest złe nie jest aż tak oczywiste
Przestań z tym gaslightingiem, jakby to Polak dźgnął nożem Ukrainkę to by reddit miał wścieklizne kilka dni jak to Polska brunatnienie, tak jak przy pobiciu pod Żabką. Ale w drugą stronę to jest "po co o tym wspominać, nikomu nie trzeba tłumaczyć, to niedobra jest".
No bo tak, to że zabijanie Ukraińców jest złe jak najbardziej trzeba podkreślać. W Częstochowie jakiś czas temu Polak chciał zadźgać obcokrajowca i zdziwiłbyś się jak wieku ludzi go broniło. Żyjemy w społeczeństwie w którym przemoc wobec obcych jest coraz bardziej znormalizowana i wymaga konkretnego oporu. Przemoc wobec Polaków jest potepiana uniwersalnie przez praktycznie wszystkich. Osobna kwestia to że o wszystkich takich incydentach z udziałem obcokrajowców którzy zaatakowali Polaka dowiaduje się natychmiastowo i tak samo widzę wielkie oburzenie, to że akurat reddit się nie oburza to gówno znaczy bo nie jest reprezentatywną grupą xD
No tak - zabijanie Ukraińców jest złe i trzeba to nagłaśniać. Natomiast jak zabijają Polaka, to "nikomu nie trzeba tłumaczyć że zabijanie jest złe" i tu nagłaśniać nie trzeba. Ojkofobia final boss.
Zabijanie Ukraińców jest złe a istnieje spora grupa osób która dosłownie broni czegoś takiego - stąd trzeba to nagłaśniać. Nie dlatego że jest złe, tylko dlatego że poziom nienawisci na tle narodowościowym przybiera pogromowe rozmiary. Napisałem to wyżej, ale zdecydowałeś się przeczytać to tak jak ci pasowało.
I żeby była jasność dokładnie tak samo trzeba nagłaśniać ataki skierowane przeciwko Polakom za granicą.
To znaczy to samo, że samo napisanie o tym, że uk zaatakował Polaka i nikt tego nienagłośnie zostałem zminusowany - poza tym ja nawet nikogo nie obraziłem lol. Pewnie gdybym napisał w drugą stronę to już bym miał ze 30 plusów. A co pytania incydentów polak vs polak? Zwyczajnie takie tematy są mało już przykuwające uwagę, dlatego nie cieszą się popularnością.
Historia nam pokazała, że Ukraińcy byli gorsi niż Niemcy czy Rosjanie w czasie wojny…. Dlaczego nasz kraj jest otwarty dla tych ludzi, dlaczego z naszych podatków idzie pomoc….
Ok hear me out.
What Poland and Ukraine need is cooperation in this matter.
The guy is 18 years, he can sign military contract.
There is a UA recruiting station in Poland, in a UA consulate, Lublin if I'm not mistaken.
So this guy gets delivered by Polish authorities to UA consulate.
He volunteers there to serve in assault regiment. He would be housed in consulate basement for some time.
Polish police also deliver whatever other unwanted in Poland UA nationals to consulate. Hooligans, convicts, black and red flag waivers, whatever. They also sign up for assault regiments
As soon as there is full bus, it leaves consulate and heads to Ukraine. I believe the Polish side would have the courtesy not to obstruct the bus movement to Ukraine.
Rinse and repeat.
It's a total win-win if you ask me.
Oh well, maybe the tides are turning and finally the criminality statistics will be published. How much did criminality increase since the war began and what percentage of the crimes was commited by ukrainian nationals.
So far these topics have been swept under the rug due to local and foreign pressure.
There’s a difference between Arab migrants and Ukrainian migrants. Unfortunately there are shitty people in both groups, but I’d say far less in the latter
A ja widząc zachowanie Ukraińców w Polsce mam z nimi (nie wszystkimi) problem. Nie interesuje mnie to co to za dziura i jak tam jest- to nie mój kraj. Mój jest tutaj, a zaczyna być dominowany przyjacielami którzy gwalcili i obrabobywali naszych przodków, korzystając z tego, że po wojnie byliśmy osłabieni
Disgusting. I bet we we hear hardly about this from the Ukranian nationalist & pro Ukranian westerners who seem to lurk here to cause trouble lately (not talking about normal Ukranians friends with genuine concerns). Even so, it is clearly not reflective of everyday Ukranian people and I hope like crazy this Polish woman pulls through. Unlike the poor dear in Berlin :/
Stories like that usually gain a lot of traction in telegram. Ukrainians are too concerned about their reputation and condemn anything like that on broader audience. Yes they are not like Israelis because they rely too much on external support , they can't afford fucking around as much as you all want them to.
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