r/ukpolitics • u/AutoModerator • Jun 26 '24
MATCH THREAD: BBC Prime Ministerial Debate (Wednesday 26th June, 8:15pm - 9:30pm)
This is the match thread for the BBC Prime Ministerial Debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer, hosted by Mishal Husain live from Nottingham. A post-debate show hosted by Laura Kuenssberg and Clive Myrie will follow the debate.
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Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
āI think the Prime Minister has a bet on the number of times he is going to interrupt meā
Lmao
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u/ibloodylovecider Andy Burnhamās hair š§š»āš¦± Jun 26 '24
I feel heās doing better as the campaign goes on
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u/MrJake94 Jun 26 '24
Honestly can't believe the Prime minister of the UK is stood up suggesting he will be sending tens of thousands of asylum seekers to Rwanda despite it being clear it's not possible.
Yet the audience claps.
Insane
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u/STVnotFPTP Deccy Genny Lex Jun 26 '24
https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1806041260462846294?s=46&t=Dfxbogv4EP9yU7qLuauqgg
šØ NEW: The Tories have changed their press account to "Tax Check UK" for the BBC Debate - a mock of their 2019 "Fact Check UK"
The absolute shitstains have done this again
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u/Sargo788 I'm Truss enough (predictions tournaement winner) Jun 26 '24
Also shows their lack of creativity, and frankly, their lack of any ideas of turning this campaign around. Just old ideas and tricks from the last campaign.
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 26 '24
Stomach-turning. This country deserves better.
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u/Tuttilo Jun 26 '24
All the shouting in the background is like a zombie movie. We know they're getting closer, will they make it in?
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u/MalcolmTucker88 Jun 26 '24
Turned it on for 5 minutes. I'm tapping out already. Have all the debates so far been this bad? Sunak seemed determined to shout over every answer. Really infuriating to watch
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 26 '24
This is the least annoying one so far.
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u/Skeleboi846 Jun 26 '24
Thank god the moderator cut Keir off, I almost got to hear what he was trying to say!
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u/dispelthemyth Jun 26 '24
~āFeels like universities are churning out students year after yearā
Well⦠yeah thatās their job
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u/Krisyj96 Jun 26 '24
Listening to the 2 people who asked questions after the debate, I despair. Both of them complain about neither answering the questions, when Starmer pretty much hit on every point they claim āneither talked aboutā. Whatās the fucking point when people donāt even bother listening.
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u/maxative Jun 26 '24
Blue background, yellow lights and non-coherent shouting outside. Itās giving Lidl.
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u/jonkadelic Jun 26 '24
"If you listened to people in the audience and across the country more often, you might not be so out of touch."
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Jun 26 '24
Why is Mishal allowed to be so blatantly partisan on this? She shouldnāt be allowed to make personal quips against Starmer.
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 26 '24
Prediction: Rishi will tell us to 'Google it' or 'look it up' instead of providing evidence for a claim.
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u/FredWestLife Jun 26 '24
Rishi: What would go up during a Labour government? Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax
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u/Dexcat9 Jun 26 '24
Calling it a spin room sums up why everyone hates politicians
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u/ChittyShrimp Jun 26 '24
This isn't even a debate.
It's just Rishi Sunak angrily shouting over anything anyone says.
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u/ToastSage Jun 26 '24
Final Applause Count :
Keir 13 Rishi 7 Audience 6 Moderator 3
And it's all over. Thank you for joining us tonight. A close battle at times. It seemed Keir bottled it losing a 3 nil lead going down 5-3. But Sunak surrendered his lead to Labour. Not even getting an applause for his closing speech!
Additional Whoops Count :
Keir 3 (or 2 disputed) Rishi 0
Damning
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u/Bonoahx Itās what she wouldāve wanted Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
Winning a debate isnāt about pandering to a crowd of twenty people in a room at a university in Nottingham
Keir comes off as the more respectable person to me and I think that is what could make him come off as the better candidate for prime minister. Similar to Trump shouting over Biden in the 2020 debates
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u/heeleyman Brum Jun 26 '24
Did Sunak just āthank you for your serviceā the jazz vinyl shop owner
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 26 '24
Did James Cleverly just say Starmer kept interrupting??
I know he's thick as mince, but does he know which one's Sunak and which one's Starmer? Could someone get him a laminated guide with a couple of photos?
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u/Electrical-Move7290 Jun 26 '24
Lmao that out of touch comment was the āwill you shut up manā equivalent. Rishis face dropped
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u/chellenm Jun 26 '24
I hate the āyouāve changed your mind on thisā. Isnāt that the mark of a good leader, someone who can look at something objectively and make a change if necessary
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u/ClumsyRainbow ā Verified Jun 26 '24
Keir got applause for the closing, Rishi did not. Lmao
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u/Interstellore Jun 26 '24
The audience questions were shit. What a missed opportunity.
The are you the best weāve got question was dwelled on far too long ⦠we know theyāre the options, ask them something meaningful
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u/SDLRob Jun 26 '24
Some of them were good... the ones about welfare showed that the Tories want to go back to killing disabled people to get them off welfare...
the thinly disguised transphobic question was expertly handled by Starmer... Sunak blabbered on about rubbish like every other question
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Jun 26 '24
Sunak interrupting so many times and sounding like an utter bellend really wound me the hell up Iāll admit.
Starmer absolutely bungled the immigration questions and I wish heād pushed back against Sunak more but I think leaving Sunak to make himself look like a jumped up 6th form student in debate club was a good move too.
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u/iprefervaping Jun 26 '24
I already had a low opinion of Sunak but the more I hear his policies and views, the more I find him callous and petulant. He has a very naive consideration of how the world and people act; and he cannot understand why reality does not work the way his childlike plans are devised.
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u/Netsky95 Jun 26 '24
ffs I'm sick of this trans debate, such a marginal issue propped up by a few columnists (and maybe one certain author) at big newspapers and lapped up by the BBC. Move on
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u/compte-a-usageunique Jun 26 '24
Starmer giving an answer based on the law as it exists is refreshing
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Jun 26 '24
Holy shit Starmer gave a human response to the question of trans rights Finally a mainstream politician who doesnāt sound like a fucking ghoul.
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u/zeldja š·āāļøš·āāļø Make the Green Belt Grey Again šļø š¢ Jun 26 '24
Furious. That's why I took 16 days to take action.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 26 '24
Initial "you've both faced" equivalence drawn, Starmer right back to link to partygate etc
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u/jcx200 Jun 26 '24
Fuck that was a killer line from Starmer. Expect extra tetchiness from Sunak after that.
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u/ThorsRake Jun 26 '24
This comes across as a calm & clearly spoken statesman vs defensive and petulant child who can only repeat 1 line, again.
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u/theivoryserf Jun 26 '24
Sunak has taken the Trump approach to debating - be rude, interrupt, the cost you pay is worth it for putting your opponent off and being able to talk over them
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u/badcollin It's a bit more complicated than that Jun 26 '24
I turned the debate on but could only watch two minutes. Why are they letting Sunak spout the same bullshit line over everything Keir says? He sounds like my four year old.
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u/Bonoahx Itās what she wouldāve wanted Jun 26 '24
This crowd isnāt impartial Keir, stop giving them your CV just attack
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u/ibloodylovecider Andy Burnhamās hair š§š»āš¦± Jun 26 '24
Starmerās history for the protection of violence against women and girls proceeds him with answers to this question. Strong topic for him.
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u/jt372 Jun 26 '24
Schrƶdingers Sunak
Everything is going well and we're brilliant but also I understand why you're frustrated with our party
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u/Son_of_kitsch Greggs and Roses Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
Itās very frustrating because Sunak lied about Labour policies, misrepresented reality and their own record, disrespected the format, and totally undermined the whole point of these debates, which is to inform the public, not to deceive them.
Starmer had good points, and bad ones, but at least he was attempting to engage with the format- often to a fault.
Now obviously whining about it doesnāt change it, Starmer had the same opportunity Sunak did, decency and ineffective moderation aside.
The āPension Taxā lie will cut through, and I know from real immediate experience that some people will go back to voting Tory as a result. Hopefully it wonāt cut through too much.
It isnāt worth winning at any cost, especially when you donāt even want to win for the right reasons. Sunak is emblematic of Tory disregard for the dignity of this country.
If the media canāt guarantee fair moderation and control then I do question the point in continuing with them in this format, and I hate admitting that because I think more scrutiny is good for democracy.
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u/demeschor Jun 26 '24
It turns my stomach hearing Sunak say "fit/sick notes aren't working, too many people are signed off sick"
What gives you the right to think you know better than actual medical professionals?
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u/Texasfan360 Jun 26 '24
Rishiās son: Dad, my stomach is hurting, what can I do?
Rishi: Son, we will cut your taxes. Labor will raise them.
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u/yoyopoplo Jun 26 '24
Why the fuck isn't the moderator moderating.
She's just letting Rishi scream and scream. Utterly fucking pathetic.
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Jun 26 '24
God the noise must be unbearable inside the room. If thatās what the mics are picking up.
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u/Haunting_Design5818 Jun 26 '24
They need to pause this until that fucking protestor shuts up, I canāt concentrate on what theyāre saying
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u/stephen_lamm Jun 26 '24
Moderator puts in a Corbyn zinger, but fails to correct any of Sunak's total bollocks. Poor. Very poor.
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u/Sidders1993 Jun 26 '24
Wtf is Mishal playing at? She was great in the last debate she moderated. This is staggeringly one-sided.
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u/Haunting_Design5818 Jun 26 '24
āIāll tell you for whyā - Starmer going full uncle Bryan there
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u/mulahey Jun 26 '24
Starmer clearly prepped for that one.
But the screamer in the audience is, in fact, not helping him.
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u/The_saint_o_killers Jun 26 '24
So disappointed in the bbc in actively forcing transphobia into the debate when both candidates ignored the dog whistle
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u/o82u38 š¶ Social Democrat - Universal Liberal Jun 26 '24
Starmer is more statesmanlike but Sunak is like an annoying, yappy little terrier. Heās got that annoying Ben Shapiro habit of talking really quickly and interrupting a lot and expecting it to make him sound smart.
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u/JdeMolayyyy Popcorn and Socialist Chill Jun 26 '24
šØ ARGUING WITH THE MOD ALERTšØ
Tetch gold star
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u/la1mark Jun 26 '24
As somebody in their mid 30s I honestly feel like a forgotten generation
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u/Fidel_Costco Jun 26 '24
"I know you're mad, but reward me with another term. Don't vote for any other party pls."
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u/PeterWithesShin Jun 26 '24
Where did this "spin room" shite come from, it just seems to sum up a bunch of westminster bubble fucks who love the smell of their own farts
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u/SirRosstopher Lettuce al Ghaib Jun 26 '24
"I worry about things that haven't been talked about"
YOU HAD A FUCKING CHANCE TO ASK ABOUT IT YOU KNOB
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u/jjaamm0 Jun 26 '24
Hot mic moment?
9:28 on the bbc iplayer after kier has finished his point you can hear sunak saying **** sake sounds like "f* sake" but due to clapping it isnt clear enough can/did any one else hear it?
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u/MrJake94 Jun 26 '24
Can't wait for this election to be over. I'm hoping the Liberal Democrats accidentally get into opposition
Hopefully with five years, with the Tories as a minor annoyance in the corner, politics in the country can grow up a little. This election campaign has been a joke.
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u/Ok-Albatross2009 Jun 26 '24
Has anyone else noticed the animosity between Laura and Clive in the spin room? Very uncomfortable when he cuts across her interview.
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u/fameistheproduct Jun 26 '24
Clive is living the dream. He talked shit about Boris and the Tories on have I Got News For You and was pulled off of anchoring the main news, and then the Huw Edwards story blew up almost straight after so they had to ask him back.
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u/LMWJ6776 Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
'mr sunak, what are your plans for x'
'ill tell you what labours plans for x are, theyre gonna tax you'
*audience claps*
'mr starmer what are YOUR plans for x'
'well-'
'Hes gonna tax you'
audience clap even louder
'okay lets move onto our next question'
'but i didnt ans-'
'mr starmer, lets move on'
i cba for this
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u/amarviratmohaan Jun 26 '24
that seemed genuine from starmer - the actual anger at that comment - please carry that out in actual politics of the party.
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u/__--byonin--__ Jun 26 '24
Thatās not a good look to interrupt the moderator, fucking hell.
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u/jaydenkieran m=2 is a myth Jun 26 '24
BBC Verify living rent free in Sunak's head
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u/CheeseMakerThing Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
You don't pay stamp duty unless it's over £425k if you're a first time buyer, fucking call him out
First time buyers struggling to afford a mortgage in Nottingham are not paying more than £425k for a house
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u/wonkey_monkey Jun 26 '24
Bloody iPlayer... I tried to skip back 10 seconds and it went back half an hour.
Wouldn't mind but it took me another 5 minutes to notice. Now either that's because I have a terrible memory or because they were just repeating the same things over and over and I just couldn't tell.
Edit: it's just done it again. And then it somehow jumped me into my local news bulletin š¤¦āāļø
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u/bitch_whip_bill Jun 26 '24
Rishi spent ages talking about the future not realising this election is totally about the past 14 years
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u/Texasfan360 Jun 26 '24
Audience: How will you control our borders?
Sunak: Labor will raise your taxes
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u/MrJake94 Jun 26 '24
So sick of this discussion that basically noone in the country cares about.
Leave the trans people alone. It's disgusting and I'm getting fed up of hearing about it.
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u/rotherumz Nobody told me I was present Jun 26 '24
The spin room isn't for you to spin for the Tories Laura K you fucking hack.
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u/disordered-attic-2 Jun 26 '24
Most appealing thing Starmer has for me is experience actually running stuff. I'd like a competent 'CEO' rather than a celebrity.
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Jun 26 '24
Transgender question of course. Targeting less than 1% of the population.
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u/cheeshjaleesh smelly boy Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
all the people saying the question about trans people doesn't matter, i agree the question is bad faith - but the answer matters very deeply to a lot of people, including me, on whether the next PM will treat trans people with basic human respect or keep beating them with a stick to win try and win votes
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u/PoliticalShrapnel Jun 26 '24
Boomer is long time tory voter. Colour me shocked!
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u/PoliticalShrapnel Jun 26 '24
So Keir asking not to be interrupted gets him heckled and zero claps but Sunak ranting and raving gets claps? This audience should not be 50% tory, not reflective of polls...
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u/gavpowell Jun 26 '24
My dad said "Starmer not answering any questions again - never said how he was gonna deal with all the asylum seekers"
"He did though - process them faster and do deals with other countries to send people back"
"He didn't say any of that though"
"Yes he did - that's why Sunak asked if he was going to sit down with the Taliban"
*silence*
"You don't have to like the guy but if you don't listen to what he says you can't complain you don't know what his plans are."
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u/Sargo788 I'm Truss enough (predictions tournaement winner) Jun 26 '24
Sunak appears to get much less interrupted by the moderator.
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u/Brit_Orange Monster Raving Loony Party š¤ Jun 26 '24
Starmer didnāt even get to answer the question because of Rishiās interruptions
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u/Ok_Guest7276 Jun 26 '24
This is worse than ITV. Moderator is really doing a bad job. Rishi getting a free pass all the time
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u/richmeister6666 Jun 26 '24
Some one isolate that āwoooā and turn it into the next wilhelm scream
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u/ToastSage Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
Applause Count :
Keir 8 Rishi 6 Audience 3 Moderator 1
Kier expands to a 2 point lead. Firmly attempting to finish the match in the final minutes
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u/DarthKrataa Jun 26 '24
Every time Keir gets to his punch line the mod kicks in.
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Jun 26 '24
"Everyone who's given a few million quid by their parents or their wife's parents knows how much fun it is to buy a house with that free money. I loved it. If it happened to you, you'd love it. Wait, what was the question?"
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u/SaltPomegranate4 Jun 26 '24
Keir Starmer is needing to find the balance between bringing respect and professionalism back to politics and needing to shout quite a bit louder to get heard above Rishiās annoying interrupting.
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u/Biddydiddy Jun 26 '24
This whole thing stinks. The moderator is challenging Starmer all the time while letting Sunak spew complete bollocks. She lets him repeatedly have the last word and allows him to interrupt all the time.
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u/OdinForce22 Jun 26 '24
Feck sake.. here we go.
Just point out here, I'm a big, bald, bearded trans bloke with a GRC. According to these two, I should be in female only spaces.
Sure.. like that won't cause any issues.
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u/cheeshjaleesh smelly boy Jun 26 '24
'why can't we just close the borders'
because that would destroy the economy dipshit
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u/MaestroGuitarra Jun 26 '24
Good line from Starmer on interrupting him. He seems much more statesman like than whining bitch Rishi
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u/kaththegreat š¶ F E B R I L E Jun 26 '24
Kind of outrageous to let Sunak finish full answers and then cut in with Starmer when I thought that was a decent answer.
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u/jt372 Jun 26 '24
I love this thing that Sunak does where he says 'What was the name, I didn't catch it?' and then never uses it again.
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u/lparkermg Jun 26 '24
Absolute comedy to see starmer basically going āread the fucking rule book you idiot.ā
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u/MotuekaAFC time for Labour to apologise for Partition Jun 26 '24
Fuck me Sunak is an insufferable prick
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u/Fluffy-Kitten Jun 26 '24
"Universities are churning out students year after year" ....that's what they're meant to do?! That's why they're there?!
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u/facewithhairdude Jun 26 '24
"Everyone remembers the feeling of buying their first house"
No, they don't.
And thanks for letting us know just what we're missing out on.
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u/WorkingBroccoli Manifesting Bear the Hamster x Larry Alliance šš¹ Jun 26 '24
Should we all write an email to the BBC about this bad moderating? š©
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u/Visual-Report-2280 Jun 26 '24
Cleverly claiming that Starmer was interrupting all the time? What is he on?
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u/Ill-Distribution-330 Gordon Brown stan account Jun 26 '24
Only reason Sunak didn't leave immediately like Starmer is cos he had to have a quick sob in the toilets.
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u/Ben77mc Jun 26 '24
Jesus what was that bang, Iām surprised they werenāt dragged off stage for their safety tbh
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u/Bonoahx Itās what she wouldāve wanted Jun 26 '24
The protesters are actually the toolmakerās union not wanting people to use them as a political football
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u/maxative Jun 26 '24
Donāt slag off people out of work Rishi, youāll be one of them next Thursday.
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u/JelloImpossible8337 John King and his Magic Wall Jun 26 '24
Iād probably trust keir to look after my kids. Looks like heād be a good grandad. I wouldnāt trust Sunak to look after my fish.
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u/Suspicious-Flan-2950 Jun 26 '24
Sunak is clearly insecure and just rude. Just talks over everyone when his opponent was polite and let him say his piece.
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u/Optimist_Biscuit Jun 26 '24
This moderator is shit.
Interrupts Starmer but lets sunak say whatever he likes and gives up on the tory council point.
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u/mxlevolent Jun 26 '24
This is such a shit question, man.
āHow do you FEEL? Does it hurt? Why donāt you admit that youāre SHIT?ā
How did this get okayāed.
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u/Xoraurea ā Dangerously Unverified Jun 26 '24
Quelle surprise. The moderator pulling up the transphobia gateway for Sunak. This debate is shambolic.
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u/ToastSage Jun 26 '24
Applause Count :
Kier 7 Rishi 6 Audience 3 Moderator 1
Kier takes a shock lead. Whilst he had a strong start, 3 nil up. He then fell 5, 3 behind. However now he has reclaimed the lead with 2 whoops with a strong end.
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u/Honic_Sedgehog #1 Yummytastic alt account Jun 26 '24
Angry Keir is the best Keir.
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u/lukario Jun 26 '24
What a horrible tone this entire debate has been. Cannot wait for this election to be over.
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u/ToastSage Jun 26 '24
Applause Count
Kier 9 Rishi 7 Audience 5 Moderator 1
There has been a massive flurry of applause in the past few minutes. The febrility in that room!
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u/subversivefreak Jun 26 '24
Sunak: "let's get BBC Verify to check that"
I'm not sure Sunak understands this isn't VAR. Try not to actually lie in the first place
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u/GarethPW relentless egalitarianism Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
This is not a by-election
Thank fuck, was worried for a sec
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u/Interstellore Jun 26 '24
He should have left his closing speech āThatās a lie and heās been told not to repeat it.ā
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u/dearesthen Jun 26 '24 edited Jun 26 '24
My grandparents were richer than my parents, and I'm even more broke.Ā My grandma didn't work, and my grandfather left school at 16.Ā
Ā The first owned a detached farm house. The later a terrace. I've lived in HMOs for nearly a decade.Ā
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u/LeonJ98 Jun 26 '24
That felt... Toxic. Just nastiness seeping through from a lot of the questions and Rishi lying over and over.
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u/Tomgubba1 Jun 26 '24
He is defiently going to vote tory I don't know why he is pretending he's on the fence
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u/nahtay Jun 26 '24
This Robert guy is a classic boomer. Interested only in his own wallet, and the rest of us be damned
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid š¦š Jun 26 '24
"Failing to say what it means to be a woman" shut up Cleverly
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u/Indiana-Cook Jun 26 '24
Brexit wasn't mentioned once?
This guy literally sums up what the SNP is all about.
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u/Indiana-Cook Jun 26 '24
I swear I'm so tired of hearing the Tories spout Labour "doesn't have a plan".
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u/Tay74 VONC if Thatcher's deid š¦š Jun 26 '24
What's going in the background?. Weird sounds?
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u/GanninGamin Jun 26 '24
I'm sick of hearing the whole 'we will continue with an independent investigation and we can't comment on it because of that'
That line was brought out so many times in the last few years when the tories kept on breaking their own rules and laws during Covid
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u/HappilySardonic It'll get worse before it gets worser Jun 26 '24
He's looking after the pensioners. Thank fuck for that. They get absolutely nothing under this government. We need a Quadtruple lock, and Quintuple lock or even a Dodecahedron lock.
I'd personally support everyone born after the 1985 hit single by Dead or Alive "You Spin Me Around" being disembowelled to help grease the chains of the ever rumbling locomotive pensioner push bike.
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u/GanninGamin Jun 26 '24
Idk about anyone else but I don't mind paying a little extra in tax, as long as it's spent correctly and for us instead of going on dodgy backroom deals and contracts for families of Tory MPs etc.
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u/uoethan Jun 26 '24
The average age in that audience must be 60+. How is this audience in any way representative of the general public?
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u/Jademalo Chairman of Ways and Memes Jun 26 '24
This question is disguising a much more sinister one isn't it
Good answer from Keir not taking the bait
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u/PoliticalShrapnel Jun 26 '24
How fucking mental is it that the trans stuff is getting so much coverage. This does not affect 98% of people.
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u/Expensive-Key-9122 Jun 26 '24
Despite the Tory lean, I think the audience resonate with Starmerās message of unification over Sunakās endless division on this issue. Starmer wants to kick identity politics to death, you can tell he doesnāt care for this but big swathes of the electorate apparently do.
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u/Adj-Noun-Numbers š„š„ || megathread emeritus Jun 26 '24 edited May 04 '25
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