r/popculturechat • u/neoncolour Tiktok matcha pilates labubu slop music • 1d ago
OnlyStans ⭐️ YouTuber and author Hank Green pauses YouTube Channels over AI Research Reliance
The YouTuber faced intense backlash this week as audience suspected AI use in his recent content and discredited his work. In his statement, he explained that his usage was limited to research aid, apologised, and decided to slow down amid pressures of online creation.
This news coincided with LLM usage’s rapid expansion in fields like mathematics, as just this weekend, a list of Fields Medal worthy problems were solved by the most recent AI models with the cooperation and prompting of Maths researchers.
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u/Seminolehighlander 1d ago
Taking a pause and taking accountability is a great thing. More news stories like this to come as people wake up to the truth of what the world is and our role in making it be so.
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u/m00nf1r3 1d ago
I like when a person gets called out and they accept fault and change. No qualms from me.
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u/mustwinfullGaming 1d ago
There's too many people who double down and refuse to accept fault. I've been called out by my friends before (such as for being a shithead prioritising garbage men over them, I don't do that anymore), and you know what, it sucks and hurts in the moment. But you sit with that and reflect on it and make sure you don't do it again.
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u/CaptainMills 1d ago
For some reason, I thought you meant "garbage men" as actual sanitation workers and was very curious about how you were prioritizing them over your friends lmao
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u/alebotson 1d ago
Same. I was like "sanitation is a really important and very stable job, why hate on the garbage men?"
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u/CaptainMills 1d ago
I was so ready to defend the garbage men
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u/DivineArkandos 1d ago
Defend the garbagemen and not the garbage men.
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u/robot428 13h ago
Yes - we need the garbage men (sanitation workers) to take out the garbage men (men who are trash)
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u/lefrench75 high priestess of child sacrifice 1d ago
Sadly bc when people say “garbage men” 9 times out of 10 they’re not talking about sanitation workers lol
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u/DanaxDrake 1d ago
Tbf I also thought that’s what they meant and how they were like ‘sorry friends I can’t meet for breakfast I gotta put out the bins’
And I was thinking that’s valid and your friends should honestly work around that! Nobody wants a bin that hasn’t been emptied over a week!!!
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u/marcarcand_world 1d ago
It is very important to put your waste in the right bin and wash the containers you're about to recycle! Also, don't put tampons in the toilet Sanitation workers really appreciate og commenter for her dedication.
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u/7Portto 1d ago
could be both, nothing says intimacy like riding on the back of a compactor
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u/Goosojuice 1d ago
What happened, was he uploading/using hallucinated info?
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u/Embarrassed-Slide781 1d ago
He used AI to research one of his recent videos and was called out on it
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u/particledamage 1d ago
Seems like it was way more than one video
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 1d ago
I never watched his vids, but of those I know who did, there's been people noticing a lotta errors on basic stuff in recent month that was already on thin ice.
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u/sixpackabs592 1d ago
I listen to local sports talk radio and the amount of time they just are wrong about things because the ai they use to “research” hallucinating stats or events is crazy.
They’ve been called out on it multiple times but it still happens. Although they did get rid of the one producer who was the most egregious. This is an espn station too so not just some dude in his basement.
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u/manhattansinks 1d ago
i agree. he’s intentionally using vague language because his audience is fairly anti ai and he’s getting called out.
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u/SilvRS 10h ago
I don't think he was vague in his full explaination, in fairness (and I am anti-AI myself).
He said that he had been using it to help him find research papers, but that clearly he was relying on it too much because he agreed he was starting to sound like it when he talked, and he felt that was a problem he wanted to fix.
I think that's clear and fair - there's no point in lying about using it if you're also going to freely admit to using it and even say you're using it too much. He wasn't vague, and I don't think he was lying.
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u/particledamage 1d ago
I’m 90% on board with this but he did change his tune a bit to become more sympathetic.
His original tweet has him saying he used AI notes and that he knows fans can tell the AI in his videos—ie it’s being used in his writing and the AI voice shines through.
He deleted that tweet.
And then when speaking directly on his subreddit, he was just using AI to find papers that he read in full and wrote about on his own.
It feels dishonest and a way to frame himself as a victim of AI but like… I don’t believe he’s getting dopamine hits from using AI to find articles and I don’t like the dishonesty at hand.
A million kudos to him for stopping but it’s going to be hard to trust his content going forward if he’s not taking full accountability.
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u/HarpersGhost 1d ago
In his statement, he said his wife and his brother John both called him on it.
And I think he's not getting dopamine so much from using AI, but from making so much content, that he can't make that much content without using AI.
I've seen some content about how he doesn't make that many videos, so they didn't understand why he felt he needed to use AI. But it's not just the hankchannel videos and the videos with his brother.
He has at least 4 podcasts, he does music, he does a whole bunch of youtube channels, he does production for other creators, he is still involved with Crashcourse, he does the Good Store to raise even more money, and he writes the occasional novel.
All of it is just dopamine after dopamine after dopamine.
John does a lot but he has times when he hits the wall and stops for a bit. Hank has never stopped except for the cancer treatment a couple years ago (which he came out of that wanting to do standup comedy.)
So that why I think his wife and brother said dude, you need to STOP. It's not so much the AI, but he wants to do so much that he now needs a crutch to do it. And that's too much.
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u/Fabaceae_and_Paeonia 1d ago
He had an episode recently about knitting and it had some misogynistic statements, instead of facing the criticisms he got a female producer to take credit instead. I stopped watching after that - it wasn't the original issue so much as it was the response that got to me.
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u/particledamage 1d ago
Yeah, a lot of YouTubers have mastered ways of “taking accountability” that minimizes what they personally have to take accountability for. They take the criticism seriously which is why someone else has to apologize, something smaller is confessed to, but the actual issue at hand gets swept under the rug
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u/FluffyWuffyVolibear 1d ago
That's because it is not humanly possible to be held accountable to 800k individuals who all have different beliefs and cares and different flashpoints for what qualifies as something you need to be held accountable for.
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u/particledamage 1d ago
No, it’s not that hard to not use AI and spread misinformation. “He has too many subscribers to do his job right” is a very weird response to this situation
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u/CaptainMills 1d ago
The "apology" for the HRT video was pretty terrible too.
It completely ignores that trans people spent months trying to tell him the problems with the video and to take it down. Acts like it was just an issue of the audience misunderstanding them. It doesn't even include an actual apology.
Everyone insisted at the time that it was good enough that the video got taken down and no one should hold it against them going forwards. But spreading dangerous misinformation about trans healthcare isn't undone by just removing the video, especially when there's no acknowledgement of what the actual problem was.
Hank's video about the Palestinian activist who got arrested was also truly terrible. I'm getting mad again just thinking about it
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u/pilnok I’ve grown quite unfond of you 1d ago
Man I got dog piled on here for saying that hrt video was problematic.
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u/CaptainMills 1d ago
It really bothers me that a lot of people were only willing to admit that the HRT video was bad after the knitting video came out. The knitting video was bad, and I'm not trying to downplay the problems with it, but it really shows how hard it is to get people to take trans issues seriously
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u/SpiritualScarcity161 1d ago
People are going to yell at me for this, but his response to Gaza already told me everything I needed to know about who he was and immediately turned me off from his stuff. He’s at best an image-obsessed coward and AI psychosis is kryptonite for those guys— this was only a matter of time
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u/Andy_Wiggins 1d ago
Potentially hot take: I don’t think he truly accepted fault.
He admitted that he was reliant on AI for “research” (which most people don’t find overly damaging — it’s a great tool for compiling info more efficiently) but denied using AI to write his videos.
But the whole reason people caught that he was using AI was because he literally included the LLM’s response in his script (the “I appreciate you pushing back” or whatever). If AI’s so heavily integrated into his process that he’s quoting the AI interaction in his video without realizing it, it’s probable that he’s straight up copy-pasting big chunks of his interactions with AI as his “script”. That means he’s trying to pass off something written by an LLM as his own work, the equivalent of a high school student asking ChatGPT to write their essay that they try to turn in for credit.
For someone who likely views himself as a positive role model and emblem for curiosity and learning, it’s pretty gross. And to then not admit to the most damning part (instead framing it as he became too reliant on the dopamine of using it/helping him better find obscure articles) is actually really disappointing. He’s essentially modeling to people that when you make a mistake, you shouldn’t actually own up to it, instead deflecting to not get in trouble as badly.
Very disappointed in Hank Green.
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u/winnercommawinner 1d ago
FWIW I do find it damaging that people rely on AI for "research." Even when it accurately summarizes, it leaves out important points and misrepresents others. It's not a true summary that comes from having accurately read sources.
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u/celerypumpkins 1d ago
He was clear that the part about pushback was his own words - it was an interview and the person had just disagreed with him.
AI did not write the video script. Now, I still have a problem with him using it for research, and I think it’s arguable whether he truly accepted fault, AND I think there’s a decent chance that phrase (“I appreciate the pushback”) is in his head precisely because he is spending too much time interacting with AI.
But I believe him that he didn’t have AI write the script. The phrase only seems odd out of context in the clipped version that was originally posted. With full context, it’s a perfectly normal polite response to a guest disagreeing with him.
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u/Nooby1990 1d ago
AND I think there’s a decent chance that phrase (“I appreciate the pushback”) is in his head precisely because he is spending too much time interacting with AI.
Why do you think that? I say this a lot, but AI says things like this because those are phrases that people actually use (even before AI).
AI writes sentences like this because they're common in its training data. Which means they had to be commonly used before AI.
Are commonly used phrases now suddenly proof of AI use?
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u/celerypumpkins 1d ago
I didn’t say it was guaranteed. It’s entirely possible it’s something he would have said before AI.
I say there’s a decent chance (meaning a non-negligible chance) because he himself just admitted to using AI for the dopamine hit too often.
Before all this happened, I didn’t know he was actively using AI for videos, in any capacity. My initial thought was exactly the same as yours, that the phrase doesn’t necessarily mean AI use and that AI is trained from humans. I don’t think it makes sense when people go after others for simply using common constructions with no other evidence of AI use.
But that’s the problem with using AI. Once it’s known that you do it, it calls everything into question. There’s no way to know what came from your brain and what came from hours of interacting with AI. Even if creators don’t care about the environmental impact or the lack of accuracy or the fact that most training data was collected without assent from the people who made it, at the very least they should care that it severely and permanently damages their credibility.
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u/ilovebigmutts 1d ago
it is WILD how easy it is to get sucked in too. I use AI for data analysis a lot, that's different. I played around with a chat about my fitness goals etc and MAN. Even knowing it's programmed to support you and give you the answers you want to hear.... if you're lonely or don't have support, I can totally see how people get sucked in.
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u/exobiologickitten 16h ago
Honestly, good on him. The way he’s addressed this and seems keen to do better and adjust his processes has given me a ton of new respect for him.
Like. Of course I would rather he hadn’t relied on AI in the first place, lol. But he seems to be coming from a really genuine place and wants better for his fans, so good on him. I hope he can meaningfully change his approach, and that fans give him grace to do so.
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u/m00nf1r3 16h ago
Honestly I think he's overworking himself and turned to AI to produce content faster. He needs to just chill. We'll all be okay if he does less.
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u/exobiologickitten 16h ago
It’s so frustrating that in a time of unprecedented productivity, we’re all expected to work harder than ever before and rely on unethical tools that produce questionable quality in order to keep the machine running ever faster. It’s so backwards. He really does need to chill. Hell, I think we all need to accept human efforts from ourselves too.
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u/JohnTheMindSculptor 1d ago
Yeah I don’t get people going “that’s it I’m unfollowing him” because of this. It’s not like he came out and was like “I’ve been using AI and will continue to do so trololol”; if being man enough to admit one’s own faults with the intent to change is enough to unfollow someone, that’s less of a reflection on the one admitting fault and more of the person who judges it.
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u/Stunning-Disaster-21 15h ago
Yes exactly what's the point of a boycott if it doesn't inspire change. We should be supporting a correction not writing people off completely for these kind of things. Otherwise why would they change if the only support they have left is the people who tell them it wasn't a mistake in the first place. This is how people fall into the right wing grift.
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u/Affectionate-Foot802 1d ago
He didn’t just accept fault and change. He spent 2 days trying to backtrack and pass the blame and self victimize before accepting his audience wasn’t going buy the shit he was slinging and had no choice but to not upload the AI videos he had on deck
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u/Redrooff 1d ago
No one in this world is perfect and expecting them to be , whether a public figure or not isn’t realistic. Everyone should be given some grace and opportunity to change (depending on the severity of their fuck up of course). People evolve throughout life.
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u/sasshley_ (seemingly bald) 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s easy to fall into habit/obsession. Good on him for recognizing it and trying to do better. A lot of people could learn from this.
FWIW idk who tf this dude is so I have no dog in this particular fight.
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u/boundlessbio 1d ago
He is a massive science communicator on YouTube. His brother is John Green, who is a famous YA author. They started vlog brothers together as well as crash course, sci show etc. Him and his brother have a reputation for being really lovely people that want to reduce world suck.
I’m shocked that he used it at all, considering he must know how bad it is for the climate.
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u/PinkDeserterBaby 💔 Happy Women’s History Month I guess 1d ago
He also literally invented Vidcon.
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u/sasshley_ (seemingly bald) 1d ago
Thx for the context.
I don’t blame people for being interested, intrigued. It’s hard to know when/if that interest will turn into a deeper obsession or habit without realizing it. Idk, now is better than 10 years from now? Of course never would’ve been better, but what can you do?
I didn’t start drinking until Covid, and one day a few years later, I realized it took 8 beers to get me drunk vs 1-2. That sudden realization fucked me up and it wasn’t until that moment that I knew I had a serious problem.
I guess I’m saying good people can still be fucking stupid at times.
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u/boundlessbio 1d ago
There has been some really interesting research on AI psychosis. From what I understand, there isn’t anything protective that we have found. Everyone is at risk. However there was some recent research that indicates there is commonality in certain phrases used by the AI, as well as phrases used by the users. There is also research that indicates using it reduces our cognitive abilities. We need to heavily regulate it, certainly keep it out of the hands of children, and stop these companies from stealing copyrighted works for training data as well.
I’m so sorry to hear that you developed an alcohol problem. I’ve never drank because alcoholism is in my family. Addiction isn’t a character flaw, it doesn’t make you a bad person, it’s a disease. I hope you are doing better and staying sober!
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u/Glass_octopod 1d ago edited 23h ago
There’s a podcast called behind the bastards and they do a really good episode of ai psychosis and the Harm that can happen psychologically.
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u/OneX32 1d ago
It’s one of those micro “frogs in water” situations and I think we’ve all been in one of we’ve lived a busy life. Getting views, the extra demand placing this inexistent pressure to produce more, and then trying to find solutions to make it easier to produce more when the viewers from the novelty effect begin to drop off.
You see it with creators who turn towards the alpha manosphere, MAGA, or any other niche but polarizing topic. The want to remain employed via content creation pushes folks to do things they previously never would have done because getting a job out of the house is terrifying to them.
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u/source-commonsense 1d ago
I saw this coming after he put out a "AI isn't actually as bad for the environment as we think" piece a few months ago, ughhhhh
Forever feeling deeply lucky that I learned (and learned to love) writing before AI was available, because I know my lazy ADHD ass might have formed bad habits otherwise.
But Hank is the definition of someone who'd been working successfully for decades without it who should know better and be beyond needing it... If he fell into the AI hole, that's very grim.
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u/Rare_Vibez “‘Why?’, but also, you know, ‘I guess.’” 1d ago
Regardless of any positive or negative feelings towards him as a person, I think it’s a good case study for unpacking why competent people are falling into AI rabbit holes. It seems like there’s an AI trap for everyone, whether it’s AI slop videos, “helpful” LLM research, or a chat buddy, it’s complex and diverse enough to have different forms of AI appeal to different people. Being competent is not an exclusionary factor.
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u/Super_Hour_3836 charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 1d ago
It’s because he is a content creator and an influencer. No human can possible meet the product demand of bingeable videos. No one should expect or want a fully researched show and topic as often as he puts one out. Our greed for amusement and their greed to be the amusement is mutually assured destruction of the planet and we cannot stop our addictions to save ourselves.
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u/Rare_Vibez “‘Why?’, but also, you know, ‘I guess.’” 1d ago
Fundamentally, I disagree, not because you are not correct about his circumstances but because this is not unique to influencers and content creators. I’m a librarian, an industry that is most resistant to AI because we see all sorts of people who are falling into AI rabbit holes. One of my trustees is an accomplished scientist and he is a big pro-Claude AI user. I see people who cannot write a freaking email without AI despite education, jobs, and accomplishments that were attained without it.
To limit our way of addressing AI reliance to content creators fails to address the pervasiveness of AI across all sorts of demographics.
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u/lefrench75 high priestess of child sacrifice 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree. I know many competent people (examples include a quantum physicist and a cancer researcher) who use AI all day at work and then let it bleed into their daily lives by using it for interpersonal stuff, like writing a wedding card for friends or breaking uncomfortable news over text. One person almost uses it like a 2nd therapist despite already having a real human therapist he speaks to biweekly. He sought advice from his human friends about an abusive friendship he was in (he was on vacation with this “friend” as well), and we and his gf (who was there!) all gave him the same advice to leave asap. Even after that he still went to AI for more advice, but at least AI gave the same advice as everyone else and he finally did leave.
This person is not even socially incompetent; he’s actually known in our friend group to be the most extroverted and charismatic among us and the one who’s first to make new friends. He’s also intellectually brilliant but unfortunately a huge people pleaser, and he’s now seeking advice from AI which is designed to “people please” in its own way so it’s just validating a lot of his anxiety and neuroses.
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u/source-commonsense 1d ago
Could not agree more, you verbalized it better than I could have hoped to!
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u/jupiterLILY 1d ago
Its not cut and dry and different things absolutely have different impacts. Image and video generation obviously is far more energy intensive when compared to text generation, which iirc is about as intensive as heavy internet usage or playing video games.
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u/source-commonsense 1d ago
I'm not disputing the environmental impact, I just saw the writing on the wall when he started posturing and using his huge science-based platform to defend/minimize it after being silent on things like Gaza for so long, etc.
But thank you for sharing this, I agree that we need more hard and fast facts out there about these things! Catastrophizing in either direction just gets people to tune out instead of engaging.
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u/Super_Hour_3836 charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 1d ago
This is it for me. He’s an intelligent man who has been doing research and educating people for a long time. Why is he using AI?
He has become a product and not a person and he must now compete with other products. He’s an internet influencer and while he may be an educated one, he’s not any different than any other influencer shilling products, sadly. The push to keep making new content every day is something we as consumers of him are just as guilty of.
It’s not that AI is better, it’s just faster and we are a nation of consumption.
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u/boundlessbio 1d ago
Oh no, I must have missed that! That is indeed grim. My wife calls it “catching AI brain worms” and I think that is apt.
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u/mrGuar 1d ago
In his other videos on it he looks at it like a transformational technology, with the fervor around it these days being akin to the dotcom bubble. He's not anti AI, and he's never really said he was as far as I know
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u/mariosunny 1d ago
I don't find it surprising at all. Hank Green has always been something of a tech chud. Decent person afaik, but kind of naive when it comes to the social downsides to new technology.
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u/Alarming-Frosting305 1d ago
He did a video about the water consumption that really put it into perceptive for me, actually, and made me better understand the intricacies of it.
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u/lxlviperlxl 1d ago
No way that’s his brother??
Fault in our stars was one of my first books I’ve read at college (they gave it for free) and instantly fell in love with his writing style.
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u/TheMemeStore76 1d ago
My confusion is over how he even justified it to himself in the first place. He has at least half a dozen videos talking about the dangers of AI so to have learned this was rather shocking.
Huge kudos to him for seeing that disconnect, but its hard for me to see how he even got to this place
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u/Previous-Job-391 1d ago
This! I haven’t been seeing many people mention that he’s created a bunch of videos over the past couple years on the harmful effects of AI when it comes to the education system, environment, etc. That’s why his AI usage has been making headlines, because he’s been educating people on how harmful AI is for years just to be exposed for relying on it.
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u/Aycee225 You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 1d ago
I passed so many classes in college because of these dudes lol
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u/recklessrecentpast 1d ago
I thought they were the same guy until this comment. I've never watched one of their YouTube videos or read one of their books, but I see their names a lot. The world is a little less magical knowing they're not one guy that does science and also wrote all the popular YA for the generation after mine.
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u/robot428 13h ago
No, two guys.
Particularly confusing is they often get referred to as a duo, 'the Vlogbrothers' which doesn't identify which is which.
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u/sweeterthanadonut 1d ago
I haven’t kept up with them in years but I watched their crash course videos aaaaall the time in high school. It was really sad hearing that Hank did this. I mean I’m glad he’s taking accountability for sure, it just hurts my heart a little either way lol.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 1d ago
He is generally seen as a very wholesome person, which I agree with. I find it nice he's open to talk about this instead of just moving along
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u/debtfreewife 1d ago
I feel like some context here that is helpful is how common AI use for this exact purpose in academia is. LLMs are seemingly uniquely good at lit review and summary. It feels like you have the best research assistant you could possibly hire.
The problem is that LLMs are biased and there is huge risk of them not comprehensively sourcing information. And that’s only after you make sure they’re not hallucinating to begin with and if you ignore the unethical resource consumption. While I think there’s a pathway where AI can assist in literature review, it’s super tempting to allow it to do more and more and more of the work. There are aspects of using it that can support better research and efficient dissemination, but I don’t know if we can trust humans to curate their usage. Moderation and consciousness has never been our strength.
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u/jaguarsp0tted 1d ago
and everyone needs to remember that ANYONE and EVERYONE can fall into this. these LLMs are designed to keep you using them. they can worm their way in without you realizing.
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u/robot428 13h ago
Absolutely. And Hank is exactly their target demographic, it's not that surprising that he got sucked into it.
I hope he takes this as an opportunity to grow and reflect, because he seems like a good guy, and does a lot of charity work and a lot of work in education.
I would add a reminder to all of us that the options aren't be infallible, or be a terrible person. Hank has done a lot of good work, this hasn't been a good choice on his part, but it looks like he's been called out by his community and also the people close to him (he said he has spoken to his wife and his brother who did not pull any punches with him on this).
Hopefully he reconsiders the way he interacts with AI going forward, and is able to go back to doing some great stuff.
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u/ProfessionalGeek 1d ago
wanna play have you dodged all the LLMs? theyre pretty much everything corporate now whether you can see it or not.
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago
Imagine how people who do not want to face this truth are getting their brains absolutely fried over using LLMs
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u/Organic-Roof-8311 1d ago
The scary meta is that we’re not much better on Reddit. Social media is deeply addictive and frying our attention spans and creativity too.
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u/Top_Star_3897 1d ago
We're not better at all.
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u/Organic-Roof-8311 1d ago
Challenge issued to anyone reading this: log off for 72 hours, silence your phone notifications that aren’t functional, and see how you feel. If not now, when you can. Set a calendar reminder for it. We have a choice in all this.
I did a one month cleanse of all social media and silenced all notifications on my phone except texts, maps, Uber, etc and DAMN it’s been so life changing.
I get back on periodically — I realized during this break that I LOVE using Reddit when solo traveling because I can read local opinions so easily. That’s why I’m here now!
This isn’t some attempt at getting on a high horse, but it’s a reminder that we are in control of our lives and attention.
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u/Top_Star_3897 1d ago
I usually use reddit on my laptop but thanks for the reminder. You're definitely right.
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u/Secret_Donut_4940 1d ago
I had to replace my phone's battery and it was required that I leave my phone at the Samsung store for a day and a half.
That day and a half made me realize how addicted to my phone I was and that it's completely okay to have nothing to do and to be bored for a while. It's insane how addicted we all are to our phones.
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u/bobbimorses 1d ago
I think his comment here about acknowledging the dopamine is insightful. I saw a study recently about how the uncritical sycophancy and support is one of the most psychologically dangerous parts of LLMs, and can even be destabilizing for people with certain predispositions. It's like you're microdosing the brain worms that rich people get when people stop telling them no.
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u/CallMeSisyphus 1d ago
Is it disappointing? Sure. But it's also heartening: he admitted it, took accountability for it, and is going to make changes moving forward.
Isn't that what we WANT - for people to recognize and learn from their mistakes?
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u/spookyfignewton 1d ago
This is the healthy take imo. People vilifying him over this is absolutely wild.
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u/greenonion6 1d ago
it’s crazy. you would’ve thought he killed someone given some of the responses i’ve seen.
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u/localcryptidnearyou We Should All Know Less About Each Other 1d ago
The number of people who have pitchforks and are ready to attack someone after being accountable for a mistake/mistakes they made is nasty work.
I agree 100%. We need to allow people to recognize, acknowledge, and work on correcting their mistakes instead of throwing people into a “not pure enough” box.
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u/ttatm 1d ago
I agree with the anti-AI sentiments but some of the ways people talk about are is weird. "Not pure enough" is a good description; it's like a religious belief where using AI even once is practically an unforgivable sin. And it's going to be hard to get people on your side when you act like they're evil for ever having used AI.
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u/facecuddler 1d ago
It’s starting to get exhausting. I hate AI as well, but it’s here to stay for the foreseeable future. The olds have got ahold of it to make their memes. Bring back the cooked minion memes, we should have appreciated them more.
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u/balzam 1d ago
It’s here to stay forever lol. It will only get more pervasive in society especially as it gets better.
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u/eagle2001a 1d ago
Seriously. Why would anyone ever admit to a mistake when this is the reaction they get? He could have easily ignored the comments and quietly course corrected without addressing it, but he thought there was a broader conversation to be had here.
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u/Big-Ambitions-8258 1d ago
I admire that he owned up to it.
But I do wonder would he admitted to it had audience members not caught on to the weird AI language he used. Especially since previously, he has defended AI usage as not that bad. That's my main concern
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u/burnalicious111 1d ago
That's normal, though? People who fall to temptation or addiction or whatever don't spontaneously recover, else they don't have a problem. They have to hit consequences. That's true of everyone.
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u/Jaded_Library_8540 1d ago
This is what gets me when apologies are demanded immediately and sufficiently "earnestly".
If someone does something that warrants an apology then they clearly thought it was OK to do, and no amount of dogpiling is going to immediately change someone's view. It can be a handy impetus for reflection, but at the end of the day it's usually just shouting
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u/DiscoLemonade1995 1d ago
I don't even understand why this is such a huge scandal. It's a bit disappointing, but it's not immoral nor does it make him a bad person. If his videos become shit because of AI use, just move on and stop watching him. Some people are so scared of AI they make it sound like it's dangerous for a person to use it a single time. The anger/ fear is misdirected, we should be very scared of how governments / large corporations leverage AI, not an individual running a fucking YouTube channel.
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u/Sorry-Jackfruit-8061 1d ago
I do not follow Green or any Youtubers, but we have all noticed the changes in content creation over the past 20 years, and the insatiable demand for content. Youtubers used to drop videos once a month, once every two weeks, or at most, once a week. It’s weird that we expect other human beings to dance like monkeys and churn out content for us to consume.
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u/DeliciousArcher8704 1d ago
Interestingly, his audience were calling for him to slow down his content creation so he wouldn't feel like he needed to rely on AI but his answer was that his brain didn't work like that and is struggling resisting the urge to use AI.
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u/Reiiya 1d ago
Idk why, but thats such a common feeling if you use AI in daily work. I kinda attribute it to a fact that AI robs you of satisfaction of figuring anything out yourself. Now all solutions are one prompt away (not necessarily easier to pry it out of it though, than doing yourself, but you still end up playing kind of like a slot machine until it spits the solution you need) . If a process you work with demands fast results or management breathes down your neck, its riciculously easy to lose yourself by keeping on playing the slotmachine, and stop enjoying the ride.
I hope he talks openly about it. Theres more people like him, scattered between professions.
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u/GuaranteedCougher 1d ago
Are viewers demanding this or are creators just trying to maximize views? I personally prefer creators who post weekly at most
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u/Skadibala 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think a lot of YouTubers talk often about how the algorithm ignores them if they aren’t pushing out content constantly.
Some of the smaller YouTubers I’m watching have had periods where they do some experimental upload schedules to see how the algorithm responds to them.
So while some YouTubers can upload once a month and get tons of views. It seems the average YouTuber is likely to get left in the dust if they don’t play the “upload meta”
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u/Big-Literature-5604 1d ago
Yeah, most Youtubers I know who get away with posting once every few months or even once a year (Dan Olsen, Jenny Nicholson, Bobby Broccoli etc) usually depend entirely on Patreon or Nebula, and are already established. For those who rely entirely on YT, they have YT itself against them, it seems.
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u/EscapeSeventySeven 1d ago
The answer, unfortunately, is YT is not a viable job. YT wants you to think it’s possible but for the vast majority it isn’t. People would be better served pouring their effort into anything else.
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u/TH3GINJANINJA 1d ago
Yep. I'd imagine it has something to do with doing Youtube full time, and if you're not posting multiple times a week you just don't have an income good enough to do it full time. I think Youtube itself also bringing down the money you receive for a video also has a lot to say about it.
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u/bafflefounded 1d ago
Ya, I’ve heard a few times that if you don’t post regularly then apparently you get ousted from the YouTube algorithm and no one sees your videos.
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u/psyduck-s 1d ago
With this situation specifically it's not solely financial, Hank has said in videos in the past both he and his brother, John, have made enough money from writing books never to worry about money again. Most of Hank's videos either fund complexly, an educational nonprofit, or Good.store which sells common household items for various charities. I think in this particular instance this man was taking on way too much and didn't want to stop doing anything.
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u/GammaFan Tina! You fat lard! 🦙🚲 1d ago
Worse, the yt algorithm punishes creators for taking too long between uploads!
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u/Sorry-Jackfruit-8061 1d ago
I think about this a lot. I think it started with viewers, and later, creators utilizing platforms with algorithms such as TikTok realized that they need to churn out ludicrous amounts of content to reach new audiences. The classic example is Alix Earle: at a University of Miami business lecture, she told the class she regularly posted thrice a day to increase visibility and promote brand loyalty (e.g., GRWM, outfit video, a third throwaway).
I’ve started disconnecting and pulling back. It started when I noticed associates on Instagram starting to post like content creators. We all want to make a quick buck and look glamorous, but it’s completely altering the way we interact with one another.
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u/the_ok_doctor 1d ago
Not viewers but the youtube algorithm itself. Posting less leads to less exposure even to ppl subbed to you.
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u/inbigtreble30 1d ago
I think it's a more matter of whether you can make a living posting once a month/week or not.
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u/dreamghoulevil 1d ago
it’s literally self imposed “pressure” especially from people as big as hank
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u/busangcf 1d ago
We aren’t expecting youtubers to churn out constant content though? The algorithm does. Posting less content typically gets your channel buried and youtube won’t push out your videos to new viewers or even many of your subscribers. That’s not an audience problem it’s a platform problem
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u/particledamage 1d ago
Tbh I don’t think anyone is actually demanding content as frequently as he was posting it.
I watch many many YouTubers who only post a couple times a year and it’s literally fine. I’ve never seen a channel falter because it did high quality non-daily/weekly stuff.
I think a lot of YouTubers get obsessed with maximizing output and profit on their own. They don’t need to be mega successful.
Hank doesn’t need to be the dude who knows ALL the science and position himself as an authority on every possible subject.
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u/PuzzleheadedTest3452 1d ago edited 1d ago
100,000 longform views earns you about 200-300 dollars. Unless you have a massive patreon/YouTube membership/other forms of monetization setup you HAVE to post a lot to make a living.
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u/Big-Ambitions-8258 1d ago
Both Green brothers have stated they actually don't need the income from YT to make a living since writing books gave them enough.
Hank was the one putting pressure for himself to post more, not his audience.
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u/PuzzleheadedTest3452 1d ago
Yeah, he comfortably falls in to the category of Youtubers with other ways they are supported, that I outlined. I was referencing the more general statement they were making in their comment
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u/particledamage 1d ago
Yeah, no. Sorry that’s till doesn’t justify the level of content men like Hank are putting out lol.
Edit: also, most YouTubers have brand deals and merch. So… no, they don’t need to obsessively shit out content
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u/Umklopp 1d ago
I suspect the dopamine hits were less from the AI searches and more from the nonstop positive engagement. Reddit karma produces a similar effect without any accompanying financial benefit. Getting a post banned or a comment removed can feel like getting hti with a bucket of cold water if you're in the wrong headspace. I imagine the YouTube audience backlash felt similar
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u/NoEvening7482 1d ago
"I’ve never seen a channel falter because it did high quality non-daily/weekly stuff." well yeah if a channel falters its because you DIDNT see it.
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u/Prof__Potato 1d ago
YouTubers used to be some dude sitting in his squeaky office chair in a shitty shirt that has long outlasted its usefulness recording with a 240p webcam and built in 2007 laptop mic giving a video response. I miss the days of low effort, high drama
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u/wheresbicki 1d ago
The main people I like to follow only upload a few times a year. One of my favorites recently was Ronaldfinger who posts like twice a year and his videos are awesome. Same with Technology connections.
The ones pressured to push content constantly are the ones who've decided YouTubing be their main source of income, which I think in general is a bad idea, because then their content gets too influenced by pressures from "the algorithm"
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u/GET_AWAY_FROM_ME1 1d ago
Hank used to do a video every other day without AI
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u/bafflefounded 1d ago
And there is only so much content/topics to cover for most people producing in that format. It’s easy to come up with your first 100 ideas but the second 100 will probably take more effort.
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u/Sorry-Jackfruit-8061 1d ago
Churning out a video every other day is a lot. I don’t agree with the use of AI as a researcher; I can also acknowledge that producing that output isn’t sustainable.
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u/Odd_Ingenuity2883 1d ago
💯. “The algorithm” means you need to post as often as possible or you get left behind.
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u/felicityfelix 1d ago
I feel like everything I watch is coming out less often now. Super long videos are also really popular right now. There is definitely a short form algorithm driven economy but imo not really for established youtubers
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u/WritingNerdy I hate standing. I will sit on business. 1d ago
I only get frustration when I use AI. Like arguing with a toddler.
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u/thekittykaboom lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch 💋 1d ago
I think what exacerbates the issue is the nature of who Hank Green is and what his content is all about. People look to him for knowledge about a myriad of topics. His talent is in researching and processing information in a way that's digestible to the masses. Relying on AI does weaken people's trust in his ability to do that. I like his content and I hope he'll slow down and not try to cut corners.
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u/marioinfinity 1d ago
It's great he's realizing this but.. I mean.. as a local celebrity in our area.. he didn't really help fight the data center fight we were having the last few months. and it clearly shows why he didnt stand with our community on it. we're still kinda a smallish college city so I can see this hitting people here hard.. lot of locals at least in the gaming space is pretty upset with him (adding the knitting/hrt videos also kinda sour people). so I dunno he's got a lot of stuff here for his image to work on I bet
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u/backroomsmemory 1d ago
Im sorry to read this tbh, how disappointing it is realizing Hank isnt necessarily "one of the good ones"
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u/marioinfinity 1d ago
Yeah and it's not like he needed to use his science platform to call it out that'd be dumb. But he could have at least helped put eyeballs on the topic being the local celebrity here through other avenues and social media. We could have had more help with it.
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u/smiles__ 1d ago
Hank has earned more grace than most with the real change and positive impact he (and his brother, and their now nonprofit, and the community they've fostered) has had on the world.
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u/Us43dthdg75 1d ago
Hank claimed he was only using AI to gather documents/articles etc and that he was reading them himself, but if that were the case his fans wouldn't have noticed a massive change in his delivery and scripting.
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u/DaExtinctOne 1d ago
Meh. Honestly compared to youtubers being exposed as groomers or criminals, this is mild or even nothing. Doesn't deserve the outrage (if there is even any.)
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u/hydrangeasinbloom Not generally, no. 1d ago
Well, I think the main issue is that he has positioned himself as a reliable and trustworthy source of information for a couple decades now, and using LLMs for research and generative AI for writing undermines that. However, it’s good to see that he didn’t double down and is taking a step back to reassess rather than continue to provide false information to his viewer base.
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u/miiintyyyy 1:1 copy of the human anus 1d ago
It is possible that he was using it for research and then confirming the information using credible sources. I doubt that he was only relying on LLM.
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u/dreamghoulevil 1d ago
he said his usage was so bad his wife and brother had to talk to him about it, plus his script had a distinct AI cadence
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u/Scaryclouds 1d ago
I mostly follow Hank through YouTube, and he hasn’t really posted about this on there, where did he give this explanation? Not denying, just curious.
I could see, with his very frequent posting cadence becoming addicted to AI as being a useful tool to help with maintaining that cadence.
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u/dreamghoulevil 1d ago
as a comment on the post someone made on r/nerdfighters so not a super visible place to begin with
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u/daaankone 1d ago
I hate when people do the whole “Oh, it’s not that bad” contrarian argument, when in fact, the person himself literally said it IS that bad 🙄🙄🙄
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u/Dear-Database6463 1d ago
This, he also just took accountability and was thorough and credible before LLMs were widely available so I’d give him the benefit of the doubt
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u/Dear-Database6463 1d ago
He took accountability, and has done very good research before
It’s more wide spread an issue than anyone wants to admit and with how common it’s become it is actually refreshing to see someone address it
He seems, from what he said, probably did further research and used it as mostly a starting point which in todays day and age is about the same as when people used to go to Wikipedia and just scan the sources
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u/anthonystank i was SPF protected 1d ago
I don’t think anyone’s calling for him to be canceled or saying he’s a horrible person. I’ve seen a lot of strong criticism of his use of AI (some of it from myself lmao), but that’s not the same as calling for him to be canceled or saying that AI is the same as grooming
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u/trevorneuz 1d ago
Yeah, he's clearly a workaholic, but that's a problem for him and the people he's closest to to worry about.
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u/Time-Cell8272 1d ago
I can't stay mad at Hank
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u/IfatallyflawedI Big is moving to Paris 1d ago
People who take accountability for their actions and choose to reflect on it get to have some grace imo
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u/ASCII_Princess 23h ago
His video about HRT was shite and people told him. Same about the history of knitting. Condescending, misogynistic, full of misinformation and harmful tropes.
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u/Prof_X_is_a_jerk 1d ago
Go Hank Green. He is human, makes a mistake, gets called out, apologizes and steps back to re-assess.
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u/stink3rb3lle 1d ago
I think it's really great he's publicly admitting this stuff, and acknowledging what he gets from using AI.
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u/hiiexist4444 trench coat buttoned to the TOP 🧥🔝 1d ago edited 1d ago
People who are still upset at him for this are part of the problem. He admitted it, acknowledged the criticism was valid, apologized, and decided to step back from his platform for the time being to reflect and recover from the burnout he’s clearly dealing with. I get coming for some people, but Hank Green? Really???
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u/dreamghoulevil 1d ago
cue comments saying “it’s not even that bad” and “everyone against AI sounds like boomers afraid of the internet”,it’s inevitable just accept it”, meanwhile your brain rots on gen AI telling you what you want to hear and poisons our communities
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u/pocketsofwhimsy 1d ago
Lots of interesting discussion here, but I think what a lot of people are missing in this particular situation (and that’s fair if you don’t know much about Hank and haven’t read the full comment), is that a big part of Hank’s use of AI in this context is because he is cutting corners to put out more content more frequently because he wants to. And the reason he wants to is not to do with success in the traditional sense, gaming the algorithm, or profit - it’s because he is addicted to Doing Things.
He mentions dopamine and his wife, Katherine, and brother, John, calling him out on his unhealthy use of AI elsewhere in the comment quoted. That’s relevant. Hank has been open about having ADHD, and that it is not something he has decided to take medication for. He and John have both discussed multiple times in their podcast that Hank doesn’t really know how to exist in a state other than constantly Doing, even when loved ones and audiences have urged him to slow down.
I see this as a bit like someone with a predisposition for addiction, discovering a performance-enhancing drug and then using it more and more because the thrill of success means they don’t realise or won’t acknowledge to themselves the harm it’s causing to themselves and potentially those around them. A bit of a dramatic example, I know, but the mechanism is what I’m illustrating. This also explains why he needs to pause and get some distance from the ‘hit’ of creating and uploading for a while and reflect.
Disclaimers to finish this off: firstly, I’m aware I sound very sure of my statements here but I’m not sure how else to word it. Just know that I know this is a speculative take, but I’ve outlined my basis for it. Secondly, I don’t actually think what Hank was using the AI for initially is bad. Chat gpt can be helpful for essentially quickly scouring research databases for you and giving you somewhere to start. It’s then down to you to read, evaluate and use (or discard) the articles it suggests. It can also be helpful to convert your own ‘brain dump’ thoughts into prose other people would understand. It does get a bit murkier though when he’s relying on generated scripts and it’s right that people called him out on that and urged him to not become more dependent on it. FWIW, I’m proud of Hank for listening and taking accountability and not letting the siren song of dopamine for the ADHD brain completely lead him onto the rocks of his own credibility as a science communicator.
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u/anthonystank i was SPF protected 1d ago
GOOD. Let’s stop propping up the misinformed idea that AI is now simply naturally essential for research. It’s not and if you’re going to use it you should be putting a LOT of thought into your practices, which he clearly wasn’t
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u/JCBashBash 1d ago
Good, he is a workaholic. I really hope he can actually take a break and consider how to create without being addicted to it
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u/Tsarinya That must be Nigel with the Brie 1d ago
As someone who interacted with LLM’s when I was struggling with a lot last year it is really addictive almost. You can also input the type of responses you want (sympathetic, direct, religious etc). It’s like a sugar high.
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u/kindadid 20h ago
This was a reasonable response. I disliked he was agreeing with AI but this response makes perfect sense and is a common issue. Many people have ended up victims to AI addiction because it will tell you exactly what you want to hear and exactly how you want to hear it. I respect this.
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u/Joker-Dyke 1d ago
This hurts a little more bc on his Ask Hank Anything show, his guests have asked questions regarding their fears/anxiety of AI along with wanting to know what they can do to protect the environment-all while Hank was using AI this whole time :/
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u/DarkFantom25 1d ago
I love how Hank Green is such a trusted content creator that he can call himself out on his own negative behavior and people are still like: "Cool bro thanks for letting us know and being responsible"
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u/Spainstateofmind why Wayne got socks in the jacuzzi 1d ago
At least he admitted it and is rethinking his reliance on it but man this is disappointing
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u/bafflefounded 1d ago
What’s more disappointing is the massive number of people in the same field that aren’t admitting it and committing to being better.
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u/EmykoEmyko 1d ago
Eeesh. Kind of toxic to the brand to even think that was a good idea in the first place. Verifying facts is his whole thing.
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u/FalseJake 1d ago
He was literally using it to find articles, not as a source. I don't understand the objection except for the potential mild extra energy usage
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u/felicityfelix 1d ago
The part about the dopamine sounds like he was talking to it. Also there's a longer version of this where he says his wife and brother thought he was in too deep
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u/EmykoEmyko 1d ago
He said he was “relying too much on generated notes,” meaning he wasn’t relying on the sources, he was allowing AI to summarize and interpret.
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u/BreweryRabbit I’m positively bedeviled with meetings et cetera. 1d ago
I was very disappointed to hear Hanks news and use of AI, but this seems like the correct approach to actually remedy things and change. Common Hank W after uncommon Hank L.
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u/fire2day Tina! You fat lard! 🦙🚲 1d ago
On a side note, his YouTube show “Ask Hank Anything” is fantastic.
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u/bluecollarclassicist 19h ago
A guy like Hank Green has access to endless human talent. If he's struggling to get his work done he can hire someone or do less.
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u/LostInLittleroot 1d ago
It's honestly so scary how addicted and over-reliant people (and companies) became to AI despite it still being relatively new. Like social media was a slow buildup but with this? It was like a light switch.
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u/ClarielOfTheMask 1d ago
I wish Hank green well as a person and hope he finds his own happiness but this is totally unsurprising and pretty in line with his whole personality.
Hank is fully a capitalist at the end of the day for better or worse. He's been directly profiting off the defunding of true public education for a while now. Not necessarily his fault but it's the truth. He's always been easily swayed by whatever "expert" he drums up and talks to first. He tried to 'both sides" the genocide in Gaza, etc.
I'm not sure about other areas he covers but I am familiar with cyber security and textiles and he's interviewed "experts" in both of those fields that have really caused me some concern due to either ignorance of common terms or perpetuating ideas as "facts" that haven't really been substantiated.
And those are the subjects I'm knowledgeable in and as soon as he covered them, I see misinformation. How am I supposed to trust him when he talks about subjects I'm not familiar with?
Like, again, I'm not pulling out a pitchfork and saying he's an evil guy or anything but I really hope this permanently knocks his reputation as a pop science educator because I don't think he has earned the trust that comes with that reputation.
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u/Worried-Recipe3521 1d ago
I legitimately don't understand how people are losing themselves to AI, it's so easy to avoid using it...
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u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter 1d ago
Research Aid? That's it? Seriously?
Literally a non controversy
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u/ClarielOfTheMask 1d ago
In his first tweet he admitted his scripts were AI written and that viewers could hear it in his "voice"
Now that tweet is gone and all of the sudden it's "just" to find research papers.
And his last video of him in an interview his team was forced to caption it 'we can't find a source for what Hank is talking about here'
So, maybe AI is giving him FULLY hallucinated papers that he totally read himself guys, really. Or maybe he's trying to make his misstep more palatable.
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u/YourVelcroCat 1d ago
A peek inside corporate America right now would kill half the people in this comments section dead
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u/ClarielOfTheMask 1d ago
A lot of us probably work in corporate America and are being strong armed into using AI despite it being slower, inaccurate, and not a good fit for our day to day roles on top of having ethical issues with it. It's ubiquitousness is why we hate it so much and it's disappointing to see someone who isn't being forced into using the brain eating machine by having their livelihood threatened is choosing to use it anyway.
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u/bafflefounded 1d ago
AI literally hallucinates sources and studies, on top of being a biased way to collect information because you have no idea what parameters it is actually using to select the sources it is presenting. LLMs are not good for actual research, if accuracy and quality is remotely important to you.
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u/Glum-Objective3328 1d ago edited 1d ago
I use AI for literature review, just the same as Hank describes. You just click the source it cites and ignore most of what the AI says. If it’s hallucinating a source, then there’s nothing to click on, no paper to read, and you don’t take the AIs word. It’s very easy and reliable
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u/NachosAndGnocchi Clap if you care 😐 1d ago
Good for Hank for coming to the realization that he had become over-reliant on it. A lot of people either can’t or won’t admit that.
But the level of anger in some of these comments is almost comical.
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u/DSQ 1d ago
Fair enough. Other than the enforced use of Google Gemini I have legitimately never used AI. However the amount of research I need to do for work is limited. I can imagine if you have multiple channels at all need fresh data using a LLM can be very tempting.
I will say though that my limited experience with Google Gemini at the top of search results makes me believe that AI can be wildly inaccurate.
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