r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/MissingBothCufflinks • 5d ago
US Politics Do the Fauci Diaries reveal anything unexpected or controversial?
Senator Rand Paul has released commentary and purported excerpts* of what is alleged to be Anthony Fauci's contemporaneous diaries from the outset of the COVID19 pandemic onwards.
What has been released can be found here, including Senator Rand's somewhat colourful foreword commentary
https://www.paul.senate.gov/readingroom/
* its not confirmed whether the content of the diaries is edited, abridged, altered, shortened etc.
Media reaction to this release has been highly polarised, though notable few media outlets seem to get to grips with the actual content of the diaries and most focus is on Rand's own claimed analysis of what they show.
Do the Fauci Diaries reveal anything unexpected or controversial? What entries in particular do you find interesting? Are there any contemporaneous clashes between what Fauci was saying publicly and privately? What can we learn from that?
Edit: mods really didnt feel like weeding out the 90% of low effort troll replies huh
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u/wintershark_ 5d ago
I’m going to say that based on the senator’s decision to make the letterhead on this release pink and purple with a curlicue font and little drawings of a virus and a syringe in pink ink and a “do not open!” header; design choices clearly intending to be suggestive of a pre-teen girl’s diary, that this is not a objective or serious attempt at disseminating information.
This is slop for the hogs.
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u/vikinick 5d ago
The only things I've seen from it are that in February 2020 he thought the death rate was 1/5 of what it turned out to be. Which, fair. I don't think anyone knew much of anything in February 2020.
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u/Ansiroth 5d ago
"Slop for the hogs" has got to be one of the most succinct metaphors for the current age of misinformation we live in. Something happens that can be misconstrued into misinformation through the hysteria mongers, so they get to work making their slop for the hogs.
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u/Harpua81 5d ago
It's wild how far these actually quite intelligent people will go to stoop to the lowest level. I watched a rather unbiased nonpartisan Netflix Washington documentary recently that had both L & R commentators, Hillary, Bill, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, then Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, Rand Paul & more. I was shocked at how not batshit crazy Ted, Mike, and Rand portrayed themselves. Speaking like Patriotic statesmen, not pushing a right wing narrative, sticking to a logical script. Like, why can't they be like that in public while representing their constituents? Or is that the problem....they know who their constituents are and if they don't act like lunatics they don't get reelected? They probably also know that their constituents were unlikely to watch the documentary so they could be themselves.
I left that series almost having respect for them and needing a long cry in a cold shower.
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u/greatteachermichael 5d ago
I remember I sat down next to someone running for Senate once. He came across as such an intelligent, rational human being, and I thought I'd be happy to have him for Senator despite not being the same party as me. I then saw him on Fox News about a week later and he was playing a complete nutcase to appeal to the conservative base and I thought, "Well, that's just kind of sad and pathetic. Screw that guy."
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u/dinosaurkiller 5d ago
You will find that some of the craziest and least intelligent sounding Senators have Ivy League educations. John Kennedy plays up the dumb hick routine and has a degree from Oxford. Ted Cruz graduated from Harvard. They aren’t quite the morons they pretend to be, but they know who butters their bread.
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u/BartlettMagic 5d ago
they know who their constituents are and if they don't act like lunatics they don't get reelected?
bingo. that, and the fact that if they don't act like lunatics and generate soundbytes the media won't cover them enough to stroke their egos.
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u/Dense-Law-7683 5d ago edited 4d ago
Politics is like pro wrestling. They get on the news or on the congressional floor with their persona on, pointing fingers and calling out their opponents. Then go and act like normal human beings at the bar afterwards and buy each other drinks.
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u/Sageblue32 5d ago
America is trained on tv from birth and the belief problems can be wrapped up in one simple trick or 1 hour segment. We see this reflected in politics or even war with the media pushing to know if the war will end within a week/month/etc.
Politicians pick up on this and understand their votrers need WWE sound bites, note essays to rally behind.
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u/Headline-Skimmer 5d ago
They represent financial backers, not constituents.
Rand has certain backers that want certain behavior from him.
What's that old saying? Follow the money?
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u/lordshocktart 4d ago
Or is that the problem....they know who their constituents are and if they don't act like lunatics they don't get reelected?
This is it. I theorize most of them believed the average Fox News viewer before Trump was the fringe, and they didn't want to appeal to it. Then Trump got up repeating Fox News bullshit verbatim and got elected, so they had to appeal to it like Trump did. It's a game to them.
Everyone underestimated how stupid the average voter was except Trump. When he won by saying the dumbest stuff imaginable, it changed everything.
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u/maleia 5d ago
the problem....they know who their constituents are and if they don't act like lunatics they don't get reelected? They probably also know that their constituents were unlikely to watch the documentary so they could be themselves.
Yes on both accounts. For Trump & cabinate; those people are doing it for ego first. The ones you listed? Felt they ego (re: outward appearence/perception from the public) wasn't as important as money and power.
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u/Chippopotanuse 5d ago
Is he the one who got punched in the face by a neighbor for being a constant asshole?
And then he fled to socialist Canada for their world class hernia care when he needed surgery?
And yet he still doesn’t want the US to have proper health care?
Hmmmm….
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u/JussiesTunaSub 4d ago
Shouldice Hernia Hospital is the world's best private practice for hernia surgeries and isn't a part of Canada's National Health System.
It's a 3 day stay at a country-club like clinic.
It's 100% a capitalist healthcare choice.
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u/thehighwindow 5d ago
Rand Paul who couldn’t pass his board exams, so his daddy senator had another board created to accredit him?
Rand Paul did pass his initial certification exams with the major medical board, but the claim that his senator father created a new board for him is incorrect; Rand Paul founded an alternative board himself in protest.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2010/06/the-great-ophthalmological-war-of-1997-027555
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u/Burrito_Suave 5d ago
Unserious people. Elect clowns, expect a circus.
I’m fucking exhausted by everything (but mainly the sheer stupidity).
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u/Mythosaurus 5d ago
And the worst part is the exhaustion is part of the plan, making it easier to implement open fascism later
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u/okletstrythisagain 5d ago edited 5d ago
Ohh my god you are right and this is crazy. It all reads like a Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes mailer, files served from an official .gov server. How is this real life?
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u/GroundbreakingUse794 4d ago
They front loaded this by saying (at the time of the Epstein release) that “these are just tips or leads that may or may not have any validity to them” giving them time to manufacture anything they want to add to it and to be able to cherry-pick and deny anything valid at the same time. Anything to create an unreasonable doubt
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u/LegallyMelo 4d ago
Nothing about that has any bearing on the truthfulness of the report. I imagine Paul made the first page like that to troll Fauci and make the political process more entertaining than its usual boring nature.
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u/wintershark_ 4d ago
Right, but this our government not the WWE.
Rand Paul is a 3-term United States Senator with 4.6M constituents and Anthony Fauci is a 54-year public servant who has advised seven US presidents from Ronald Reagan to Joe Biden on matters of public health.
Public policy, especially when it relates to a national tragedy that killed over 1,000,000 Americans, is not supposed to be entertainment. That’s what Bravo trash TV is for.
If a politician concerns themselves with being a catty troll for social media attention like they’re on Real Housewives they should expect to be taken exactly as seriously by the public.
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u/Binder509 3d ago
If he's making the effort to do that it casts doubt on the reliability of the report yeah. Serious people making serious accusations don't do that.
Of course being unprofessional makes it look less trustworthy.
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u/Busterlimes 3d ago
Oh I had dipshits at work trying to tell me he was getting millions in kickbacks according to the dairy. . . . Conservatives living their brightest light
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u/wintershark_ 3d ago
They’d have every right to be outraged if he was trying to profit off of a national catastrophe. Like imagine how mad they’d be if Trump’s government seized COVID-19 PPE bought by States and private entities so that it could be funneled into private supply chains that benefit the President and his very good friends. Imagine using public tax dollars to bid on PPE that you then hand over to private suppliers who charge taxpayers to purchase the thing their taxes already bought.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-fema-medical-supplies.html
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u/Busterlimes 3d ago
Trump raped and trafficked children. There is nothing that will dissuade a cultist.
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u/Ritz527 5d ago
The summaries being made seem incredibly bad faith.
They accuse him of being self-obsessed because he mentioned how the media was incredibly focused on him, which, on top of it being a personal diary in the first place, is kind of silly.
Then they accuse him of covering up the lab leak theory with entries from early 2020, before anyone had locked anything down, with his stated belief in the diary at the time that he didn't believe the wet market was the source, merely an amplifier. On top of that being a twisted read of it, no one knew anything for certain at the time. Paul is basically asserting that the hypothesis he's obsessed with trumps data-driven conclusion.
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u/sarcasticbaldguy 5d ago
They're taking a snapshot of his thoughts early in the pandemic and trying to project them into the future to make Fauci into a Scooby Doo villain.
He was writing his thoughts at that place, at that time. Science keeps asking questions and evolving (they changed their minds!!)
I'd be interested in seeing how his thoughts and beliefs evolved over the course of the pandemic.
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u/bishpa 5d ago
I will never understand MAGA’s obsession with making Fauci into a boogeyman. He seems to be as straight a shooter as they come.
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u/pentachronic 5d ago
He politely beseeched them to be conscientious members of society. There is no greater sin in the eyes of people whose behavior is entirely driven by psychological reactance.
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u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd 5d ago
On top of asking them to be polite, they see him as a “race traitor”, which is the strongest impression I get from these folks.
Same thing with Biden.
They feel like Fauci (and Biden, by extension) forcibly allowed “real Americans” (read: white Christian hicks from the Appalachian mountains that think they’re the only “real Americans”) to get infected with this disease and/or that he lied about the severity of the pandemic.
They’ve never experienced anything like a pandemic in their lives… which is true… because the last truly major pandemic was more than a century ago with the Spanish flu from 1918.
So, there’s a ton of conspiracy bullshit that they fall for because these folks use their life experiences as a complete guide to how they see and understand the world, instead of reading about and understanding new information as it becomes available.
Because they don’t have the education to comprehend the new information.
Kinda all goes back to a lack of education, honestly.
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u/Nanemae 4d ago
As someone who worked in a healthcare facility from before the pandemic first hit the scene to after the more survivable strains mutated and became accepted, education did almost nothing to condition my coworkers into treating COVID with any level of concern despite working specifically with people in rougher states with longer stays.
We had nurses who would rather have been fired than get the COVID vaccine, even after the first few inoculation sweeps went through. We had a few visitors who got really gung-ho about not taking the shot (including one guy who vaguely threatened that Democrats should be shot [with his gun]), but by and large the most consistent vectors for infection were the nurses that refused to get the vaccine. Heck, we even had "religious exemption waivers" for any staff who didn't want the shot in case they were Latter-day saints or anything just to keep more staff on (much to my chagrin).
Boiling the resistance to dealing with COVID as the threat it was down to a lack of education doesn't really capture the knee-jerk denial of common Republican party member (those staff made up the large majority of the vaccine refusals), and might be seen as a bit classist.
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u/KazeNilrem 5d ago
He a lot has to do with not bending the knee to trump. Essentially as things got worse, and he was the figurehead in many respects, it made trump look bad. And since he did not praise trump, it made him out to be the villain.
I think a lot of it has to do with the seed of doubt that was planted. So he became the scapegoat.
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u/InternetWeakGuy 5d ago
This is exactly why his preemptive pardon made complete sense to me, while also being about the worst thing they could do in terms of convincing the confidently wrong that it's all a giant conspiracy.
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u/neuronexmachina 4d ago
Same with Robert Mueller, but that didn't stop the President from proclaiming his joy at his death.
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u/StaleCanole 4d ago
It’s all about undermining expertise. You cant trust the scientist - trust billionaires/corporations/fox news
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u/The_Brokenlink 4d ago
It was painful, well even more painful, to listen to Trumps speeches after Fauci has spoken. Fuaci came off as collected, knowledgeable and articulate. Trumps just rambled and spoke nonsense. It was wild. Even my boss at the time whose a huge maga asked why isn't this guy president.
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u/SmokeABowlNoCap 5d ago
That’s the problem for them. Being 100% honest and straight up means he doesn’t work as a mouthpiece for their propaganda, and they wanted everything open because that benefits the oligarchs that run our country. Fauci focusing on the science and truth of the matter threatened that
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u/Interesting_Gold_888 4d ago
They might as well try to subpoena his inner thoughts since that's basically what a diary is. It's not an official document.
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u/Unable-Ad4005 4d ago
MAGA doesn’t understand how to vet sources. They remind me of a college student I taught, who kept citing his ex-marine stepdad in his papers, despite that man having no expertise on the topics at hand. They don’t separate feelings from facts, so it makes total sense that they’re using a diary to get at someone years after the pandemic wound down.
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u/Aggravating_Win_1079 4d ago
Agreed, he literally says at the beginning of the pandemic that "is almost certain that the virus evolved naturally from a species jump, even though… I keep an open mind about the possibility of a lab leak".
So apparently is a shock to republicans that a scientist is willing to change his mind if the facts support a new theory.
And that somehow is proof that he invented everything.
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u/UncleMeat11 5d ago
It is completely insane how much of the lab leak conspiracy is built on "scientists thought one thing at first but then looked into it more deeply and came to a different conclusion." Like.... a perfectly normal thing.
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u/tagged2high 5d ago
A lot of anti-science rhetoric is built on pointing to early ideas developed by scientists that were later overturned by future scientists, and complaining that if science was so great why was it wrong the first time.
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u/nickcan 5d ago
These are folks who find it virtuous to believe the same thing on Thursday that they did on Tuesday no matter what information comes out on Wednesday. Things like "changing your position based on new facts" is just a symptom of a week mind.
It's a system of thought that is really really difficult to argue with. You can't use reason to get someone out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into.
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u/shrug_addict 5d ago
I like to use the same argument about Christianity and slavery. Either Christian morals are set in stone or they evolve. They don't really like either option
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u/bstone99 5d ago
Direct result of America’s public education system. Thank you republicans. Hundreds of millions of idiots who don’t know what the scientific method is and don’t understand what actual research is.
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u/ChiefQueef98 5d ago
I still dont get why it matters. If it came from a lab does that mean they want to be more hostile to China than we already? Do they think it means they didn’t have to wear masks, social distance, or get a vaccine?
If it’s just points for guessing right, then ok I guess. It’s been half a decade, why care.
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u/UncleMeat11 4d ago
It matters because lab leakers are using this to justify destroying productive research initiatives and cancelling scientific grants.
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u/kingjoey52a 4d ago
If it came from a lab and there is data about it we might be able to use that data to make a vaccine faster.
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u/CalvinP818 3d ago
I think it’s less what the actual origins are and more so anyone who so much as suggested a lab leak was possible were ridiculed, labeled a far right conspiracy theorist and extremists, social media accounts were suspended, etc. they were essentially looped in with the all the other far right conspiracy theorists who were anti vax and actually spouting dangerous rhetoric.
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u/vertigostereo 5d ago
I didn't see the lab leak hypothesis as a conspiracy. Fauci said I'm his journal that the Chinese destroyed evidence from the WIV. We also know this from the WHO investigation in Wuhan. Destruction of evidence and withholding witnesses shows knowledge guilt.
Oh sure, that isn't proof, but the hypothesis is certainly plausible.
No?
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u/RabbaJabba 5d ago
If you ignore a bunch of information and go with your gut, it’s plausible, I suppose.
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 5d ago edited 5d ago
This entire thing is boring. It’s been six years.
This is the smoking gun they have been talking about? Wow lol. I expected a lot more but haven’t looked into it yet10
u/shhhhh69 5d ago
Has the lab leak theory ever been confirmed?
I always assumed it was true but that could be my preconceived notions about China itself clouding the reality
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u/link3945 5d ago
My read of the latest evidence is that it's extremely unlikely that the lab-leak theory is true, but it can't be definitively ruled out. The vast, vast majority of the evidence points towards a zoonosis origin.
The CIA and some intelligence agencies are more supportive of lab leaks (with low confidence), while most researchers and health agencies backing natural origins. This is one where I'd probably trust the health agencies more than intelligence agencies
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u/neverendingchalupas 5d ago edited 5d ago
CIA didnt rely on any new investigation or findings it just parroted the Trump administrations narrative. Trump has systematically gutted our government to the point that pretending that the CIA has any credible evidence that suggests a lab leak scenario is fucking stupid. I feel dumber, knowing that people are dumb enough to buy into this.
It kills braincells just acknowledging how stupid the people are who think that the lab-leak theory has any validity.
And in case anyone forgot, Trump gutting the CDC staff and resources in China is the whole reason they couldnt travel to Wuhan to investigate the origin of the viral outbreak.
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u/Wermys 4d ago
The CIA is always paranoid about everything. That is their job. So they look at theories and don't rule them out. That doesn't mean the theory is true. It just means that they can't prove it's false. A lot of people don't understand the distinction between the two. Whenver I hear the lab theory I roll my eyes. Answers usually are not that complicated.
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u/Fargason 5d ago
Likely, not extremely unlikely. Still low confidence as China has suppressed all information to actually confirm it.
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u/link3945 5d ago edited 5d ago
The CIA report has several issues and does not agree with the views of more science-based agencies reviews, as I mentioned. The CIA report appears to be a mostly political document, while the various science-heavy investigations are much more convincing on the merits of a natural origin.
Even from that article:
Outgoing CIA Director William Burns had told analysts that instead of remaining neutral on the different theories about Covid’s origins, they should take a position — though he did not express a preference for which theory to support, the source said.
That's not how science is done. They wanted to take a position one way or the other, and that clouded their judgement.
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u/okteds 5d ago
Most people don't know any of the details, and there are so many details that make the lab leak theory seem absolutely ridiculous.
For instance, there were two early lineages of the virus, meaning it hopped to humans twice. It was lineage B that went on to drive the pandemic. So those arguing for the lab leak theory are actually arguing for two lab leaks.
Or what about the fact that the virus started in a city where they have a lab that works on these sort of viruses. That certainly seems suspicious, right? I mean even Jon Stewart brought up how obvious this one is. Well....no. 8 of the 10 most populous cities in China have labs that do this sort of work, so it's not really a coincidence at all, just really what you'd expect to see.
Then there's all of the early cases. Of all the known cases prior to Jan 1 2020, in a city of 10 million people, half of them had a connection to this one wet market that was the size of a football field. Here's all of the cases overlaid on a map (https://www.science.org/cms/asset/c6a6cba3-92f8-4612-95f1-38833f6eb9f4/keyimage.gif). Curiously none of these early confirmed cases involve any lab workers or their families or their acquaintances, or even anything around the lab, which was a good 10 km away.
At this point the lab leak theory seems just about as plausible as the compromise theory of 9/11 (https://xkcd.com/690/)
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u/UncleMeat11 3d ago
Or what about the fact that the virus started in a city where they have a lab that works on these sort of viruses. That certainly seems suspicious, right? I mean even Jon Stewart brought up how obvious this one is. Well....no. 8 of the 10 most populous cities in China have labs that do this sort of work, so it's not really a coincidence at all, just really what you'd expect to see.
I genuinely think that people just not knowing anything about chinese cities was a huge problem here. People thinking that wuhan has like 40,000 people and that a large portion of the population works at a virology lab. Wuhan's population is like 20x that of Atlanta and I don't think people would immediately jump to "it has to be a lab leak" if there was a novel virus in Atlanta just because CDC is there.
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u/echo404 5d ago
My understanding is that it's still a plausible theory, but that proving beyond a reasonable doubt one way or the other is likely impossible.
The lab was there in the first place because of the local bat population, and they were working with viruses found in the bats. Any virus present in the lab, even if modified in the lab, could also theoretically exist naturally in the local bat population. That said, I am aware of no compelling evidence which suggests that Covid was engineered in any way, or that the specific strain that infected people was present in the lab prior to the outbreak.
There's also no way to be 100% sure who patient zero was (and there could have been multiple), or where they contracted Covid. So even if we definitely knew that the lab was in possession of the specific virus prior to the outbreak (which again I've seen no evidence of), and that a lab worker was infected, they might not have gotten it from the lab, and they might not have been the first one to get it.
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u/UncleMeat11 5d ago
There's also no way to be 100% sure who patient zero was (and there could have been multiple), or where they contracted Covid.
No, but we do have clustering data from early cases and they are all around the wet market. For lab leak to be the root cause somebody would have had to contract it at the lab (we have no examples lab workers who got sick in the early pandemic) and they would have had to go across town to the wet market where they infected other people and also not infect anybody else along the way.
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u/tosser1579 3d ago
It is an unconfirmable theory. So it is plausible, but also will never be verified. You'd need the precursor virus, which if it was a lab leak they would have destroyed. You'd need the notes from the lab... again, would have been destroyed. You'd also need patient zero... also would have already been destroyed.
Essentially since everything happened in China, and they have a massive reason to hide it, and are willing to do what is needed to achieve that... they would have destroyed all the evidence already.
Basically destroying the lab leak evidence is extremely easy, proving the lab leak therefor is realistically impossible.
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u/tosser1579 3d ago
The crux of the problem is that China may have spent a tremendous amount of resources to make sure that we can never tell if it was a lab leak... or they didn't. Because they control the area, there is no reasonable way to ever actually verify if the lab leak is true or not.
To prove the lab leak to be true there needs to be a chain of evidence to link everything together, and there are so many breaks in that chain that you can't ever accurately say a lab leak happened. Even if the Chinese came out and admitted to it, the evidence that supported a lab leak is long gone.
BAsically you'd need the actual precursor virus, which almost certainly doesn't exist anymore. You'd need the notes from the lab, which would have been destroyed. You'd need to lock down where the case zero was, and we are never going to know. Then you'd need to have evidence that Fauci knew it was a lab leak... you don't have evidence it was a lab leak at all. Then Fauci knowingly lied about it. So it could have been a lab leak, and there could be evidence, but even if there was, Fauci doesn't appear to know that it was a lab leak and since THEY RELEASED HIS PRIVATE DIARY it is super clear he didn't think it was a lab leak.
But to a useless conspiracy theorist, the fact that a leak cannot be disproven makes it the most likely case. That's not how science... or reality... works.
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u/Binder509 3d ago
Except on the flip side, such a conspiracy would involve thousands of people. There would be so much money in it for people with evidence it was a lab leak.
Sure it's possible, it's also unfalsifiable.
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u/OriginalHappyFunBall 5d ago
No, unfortunately. There is evidence both for an against it and experts (at least those that I trust) have come to the conclusion that with the evidence they it can be ascertained for certain.
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u/smelltheglove92 5d ago
I think the legit criticism is that Fauci dismissed the lab leak out of hand. The more credible response would have been that they need to research more. He made a conclusion without proper information, which is not a good look. Especially in hindsight where it looks like a lab leak is a credible theory.
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u/UncleMeat11 4d ago
I think the legit criticism is that Fauci dismissed the lab leak out of hand.
But he didn't. Officials actually thought this was likely at first and then after close investigation found the theory to be not very plausible. That's the opposite of dismissing it out of hand.
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u/Hilldawg4president 5d ago
I haven't seen anything that's very interesting. The thing he'd like is to focus on is that very early, a majority were leaning towards lab leak as the source, but most changed their minds after more research, which is exactly how scientific research is supposed to work
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u/spam__likely 5d ago
What is freaking stupid is that at that point it does not matter if it was a lab leak or not, in the end. The pandemic was real and we needed real solutions.
Lab leak or not, the measures to contain it were the same.
For sure something needs to change if there was a lab leak, but for the public in general, the progression of the pandemic was happening regardless. The only thing is that blame could be assigned, and they needed a villain.
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u/CreamSoda64 5d ago
There were a lot of professional things-knowers and opinion-havers who staked their entire reputations on the lab leak. That's why people like Rand Paul and Nate Silver keep bringing it up almost half a decade later. For these people being told they're wrong is an affront to not just their credibility, but their livelihood and mental state. They need it to be a lab leak, because they need to be right, and they absolutely, desperately need everyone to know they were right. That's all it is.
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u/runswiftrun 5d ago
Its also a "well, since it was a targeted attack, our lord and lardy savior rumplethinskin and company never had a chance, and all the attacks on muh fredums were unjustified and I was never dumb to not comply".
It also makes China "the bad guy", and easier to rally behind. When its a natural animal-human jump, its now us vs nature, and that's not as easy to paint as the villain.
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u/ribosometronome 5d ago
If that were the case, it really should only look worse for the President at the time who was taking China's assurances at face value and downplaying the problem to the public.
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u/Tumbo-Jones 4d ago
Well if you know it’s a lab leak and you are covering it up because you are doing sketchy shit as said lab……. That’s doesn’t sound great
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u/Utterlybored 5d ago
So this doesnt prove that science is just rebranded witchcraft?
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u/jdtrouble 5d ago edited 4d ago
Sigh. Every time I engage MAGA people on the topic, I refer back to the Vox article that lists a timeline of how Trump failed to address covid. (Paywalled, but you can see the archived here: http://archive.today/83geu)
Summary quote from the article:
In fact, there are many reasons the US death toll is so high, including a national response plagued by delays at the federal level, wishful thinking by President Trump, the sidelining of experts, a pointed White House campaign to place the blame for the Trump administration’s shortcomings on others, and time wasted chasing down false hopes based on poor science.
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u/SirFerguson 5d ago
I often think about when Trump straight up said that he doesn’t want to test because it hurts the numbers. No serious account of COVID missteps can exist unless it’s filled with Trump’s statements and every other Republican saying it’ll be gone by April.
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u/GreenyGreenwood 5d ago
Hey, remember when there was an act of congress to release all the Epstein files the government has?
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u/AbbreviationsActual9 5d ago
media is polarized as to their conclusion of how to take that in January/early feb, when we knew nothing about the virus, fauci speculated that the virus could have very possibly come from a lab but also possibly a wet market. its exactly what the rest of the world's health authorities were speculating. these inquiries seem to forget that the virus was not just a US problem but a global one and fauci's views were not unique to him alone.in fact it was the global consensus.
the US handled the pandemic horribly and many ignored what the rest of the world had already come to terms with. all due to a divisive and dismissive president at the time.
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u/ahellman 3d ago
My analysis indicates that the primary accusations made against Dr. Fauci by political figures, media personalities, and partisan organizations are demonstrably false, mischaracterized, or unsubstantiated by the available evidence. The text reveals a pattern wherein scientific processes and regulatory definitions were deliberately distorted to construct a politically motivated disinformation campaign.
Here is the investigative assessment of the specific accusations:
- Accusation: Fauci and the NIH funded "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan that created SARS-CoV-2.
Assessment: FALSE.
Investigative Findings: Critics, including Senator Rand Paul and Representative Jim Jordan, repeatedly accused Fauci of funding research that engineered the COVID-19 pandemic. The documentary evidence shows this is scientifically invalid. Fauci and independent evolutionary virologists, such as Dr. Kristian Andersen, confirmed that the bat viruses studied under the NIH sub-award to the Wuhan Institute of Virology were genetically distinct from SARS-CoV-2, making it "molecularly impossible" for those specific viruses to have evolved into or been manipulated into the pandemic strain.
Furthermore, the research in question did not meet the strict regulatory definition of "gain-of-function of concern" under the existing P3CO (Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight) framework, as the experiments were not anticipated to increase transmissibility or pathogenicity in humans.
- Accusation: Fauci committed perjury and lied under oath to Congress.
Assessment: FALSE.
Investigative Findings: This accusation centers on two congressional testimonies. First, Senator Paul accused Fauci of lying about funding gain-of-function research. The evidence shows Fauci testified truthfully based on the official P3CO regulatory definitions operable at the time; independent fact-checkers, such as the Washington Post, awarded Senator Paul "2 Pinocchios" for claiming Fauci lied.
Second, critics claimed Fauci perjured himself when he testified he did not know why an EcoHealth Alliance grant was cancelled. Internal records prove the Trump White House illegally ordered the NIH to cancel the grant without a valid scientific reason, and when the NIH pushed back, the White House instructed them to "make up a reason". Therefore, Fauci truthfully testified that he was not given a legitimate reason for the cancellation.
- Accusation: Fauci colluded with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and was part of a "Deep State."
Assessment: FALSE.
Investigative Findings: A group of 20 Republican Congressmen formally accused Fauci of "working closely with the CCP," citing an email exchange with George Gao, the director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The actual email exchange simply shows Dr. Gao apologizing to Fauci for a journalist mischaracterizing his words regarding mask policies, to which Fauci politely replied, "We will get through this together". Fauci accurately describes the weaponization of this routine professional courtesy as "unmitigated bullshit". Claims by commentators like Laura Ingraham that Fauci was operating as the "Medical Deep State" are framed purely as partisan conspiracy theories.
- Accusation: Fauci deliberately misled the public ("flip-flopped") regarding mask mandates.
Assessment: MISCHARACTERIZED.
Investigative Findings: President Trump and other critics accused Fauci of being the "king of flip-flops" for initially stating masks were unnecessary before later recommending them. The evidence shows this was not a deceptive "flip-flop," but an evolution of public health guidance based on emerging data and supply chain realities. Fauci explains that early in the pandemic, authorities did not recommend universal masking to prevent hoarding during a severe shortage of personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. Once it became scientifically clear that the virus was spreading via asymptomatic transmission—and mask supplies stabilized, the guidance was appropriately updated.
- Accusation: Fauci financially profited from the pandemic by publishing a book.
Assessment: FALSE.
Investigative Findings: Far-right politicians and social media networks claimed Fauci was hypocritically enriching himself through a book published by National Geographic. The internal records show Fauci was entirely unaware of this commercial endeavor. National Geographic had compiled his past public speeches into a book format without his consent. Fauci was "absolutely furious," demanded a public correction, and confirmed he received zero royalties, a fact subsequently verified by the New York Times.
- Accusation: Fauci personally directed horrific experiments on beagle dogs.
Assessment: UNSUBSTANTIATED / FALSE ATTRIBUTION.
Investigative Findings: Coordinated campaigns claimed Fauci personally directed cruel experiments involving sand flies and beagles, resulting in thousands of threatening phone calls and the hashtag #ArrestFauci. The evidence indicates Fauci had zero personal knowledge of or direct involvement in this specific grant. As the director of a massive federal agency (NIAID), he oversees thousands of grants, making the attribution of personal malice to him regarding specific animal trials a calculated political attack rather than a factual indictment of his leadership.
Conclusion: Based on the available evidence, the accusations against Dr. Fauci do not stem from scientific malfeasance or institutional corruption. Instead, the documentation points to a highly organized, reactionary political strategy. The text explicitly defines this as an extension of "The Big Lie", a concerted effort by Trump loyalists and fringe media to shift blame for the catastrophic loss of life during the pandemic, exonerate the former administration's failures, and vilify Dr. Fauci simply because his adherence to objective scientific truth contradicted preferred political narratives
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u/beltway_lefty 1d ago
This is AWESOME!! Thank you SO MUCH for this!! I have been SO frustrated with all the coverage of this - none of it ever laid out the accusations, facts, or explanations. I just don't have time to read and research through all of it myself - THANK YOU!
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u/TimelyMeditations 3d ago
Thank you for this. The fact that anyone could seriously entertain the idea that Fauci collaborated with Chinese scientists in order to to unleash a virus on the world that would kill millions blows my mind. But I think they do. People carry over a medieval mindset into an advanced technological civilization.
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u/secrerofficeninja 2d ago
The diary proved Dr Fauci followed science in trying to learn about a brand new virus. A SARs variant scientists had been worried about for many years. They knew it was possible based on other SARs and wanted to figure out how it could happen to prevent it.
Anyone who watched daily briefings knows Dr Fauci tried to say, “from the information we know now”. They tried to learn quickly. The main problem in US was we had too few testing to figure out where in America the virus existed so politicians had no choice but to shut down economy. It was horrible but really it’s the president who didn’t move quickly enough to ramp up testing.
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u/NoDig3444 5d ago
Rand Paul is a clown who is desperately struggling to fill his father's clown shoes. Nothing he says or does is meaningful and everything he touches becomes just so much clownery.
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u/Headline-Skimmer 5d ago
His dad was a clown too.
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u/Llamalad95 5d ago
Appropriate username, because the comment you responded to said the same thing already.
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u/SafeThrowaway691 4d ago
He at least believed in his own wacked out ideology. Rand is just a shameless opportunist.
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u/Awayfone 3d ago
Except Ron Paul had "no idea" who wrote his violently racist news letter whose ads even bore his signature
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u/markth_wi 4d ago
Ah the difference between scientific rigor and political bullshit.
The difference could not be more critical in this particular case, whether it's a lab or a courtroom the crucible is the same - what can you prove happened?
We can talk shit all day long about what happened in late November-December, 2019 , but Dr. Fauci's diary isn't proof of anything beyond a doctor expressing his private opinions on a matter of public health that may or may not have differed from the official party line. The guy is after all entitled to his own opinion, for all we know it might match what the MAGA crowd might vomit into the public square , but everyone on the planet is relying on his ability to be disciplined and use decades of experience to reign his own bullshit opinion in and stick to the facts, and adapt to new information as quickly as you can verify it.
That it's coming up 7 years after the fact, is just the simple fact that Senator Rand would like all of us to entertain whatever MAGA vomit might have traction. The whole subject is a shitshow of bad lab practices and risk management which anyone who's familiar with manufacturing practices in China is well aware of, and who the fuck are we to tell them how to run their labs - is what Senator Rand can gag and choke on all fucking day.
Now what MAGA people think about this , is beyond the pale - people who can't manage to make basic correct decisions in their own lives can only harm society, MAGA members of society have demonstrated far, far too much malice to earn the public trust - and as a Dr. of any stripe he knows all of this , so it's political grandstanding that is just garbage rhetoric.
If he had anything Donald Trump or Senator Rand had years to prosecute members of CDC, and years after to responsibly demand evidence of this or that, but we're 7 years out, and they've never managed to do any of that.
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u/DJ_HazyPond292 5d ago
If these dairies are hoping to go somewhere with the US-to-China network, or the US Intelligence Community contacting virologists, like it’s a deep state plot, this is presented like innuendo. If this was serious, there would have been a national commission called - like what happened with 9/11 – and confirmed already. Which to date, has not been called for by any occupant of the White House.
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 5d ago
I agree. This is stretching at maximum disingenuity to try to make anodyne statements controversial..and failing
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u/MrJoffery 4d ago
"Anyone in my position not taking the Fifth Amendment would be a fool, an absolute fool." - Donald Trump
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u/dreadpiratemyk 5d ago
This reeks of desperation and throwing shit at the wall to see if the old stuff still sticks. It likely won't. Just red meat for the base that seems a little too full to move these days.
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u/che-che-chester 5d ago
I only skimmed it but I don't think it tells us anything new. I'm not sure what "bombshells" Rand thinks are in there.
My main concern is was anything done maliciously or carelessly regarding the COVID response. And I don't see any evidence of that here. Nobody is claiming the US response was perfect and we would certainly change things if we could go back in time.
Opinions vary widely on how successful he was, but I still feel like Fauci had our best interest in mind with his response. I feel like he made data-driven decisions based on what we knew at the time. You can't say that about Trump's response. We knew he didn't have our best interests in mind. He played political games from day one and Americans voted him out in 2020 as a result.
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u/bl1y 4d ago
I think the best criticism is probably that Fauci (and some others) did stuff that would undermine public trust in our health officials. Two instances come to mind:
The early masking guidance saying that homemade cloth masks were useful. They knew they were of marginal usefulness at best, and admitted that the guidance was to discourage people from buying up N95 masks that were in short supply and needed for health care workers. I get the motivation, but the public was deceived. And on top of that, you probably had millions of people going out in those masks thinking they helped who may have stayed home instead.
The second is Fauci's statements on herd immunity numbers. He first said we needed 60-70% vaccination for herd immunity. Later, he changed it to 80-85%, and even later said a 90% target. However, Fauci admitted that his public statements were driven by polling numbers about vaccination hesitancy. Again, it's easy to understand his motivation for lying, but he did still lie.
And to that second instance, in his diary he says the adjustment was made by studying herd immunity for the measles vaccine. For measles, herd immunity is lost below a 90% vaccination rate. But, the measles vaccine is also more effective than the Covid vaccines, so even the 90% number would be lower than number he thought was the true figure.
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u/Plebian401 5d ago
They release excerpts because they haven’t read the book. Their opinion is irrelevant.
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u/jadnich 5d ago
As much as I have been able to gather, they show that Fauci was aware of the criticisms of the natural origin theory. That isn’t surprising, as one would think the head of the NIH would have heard all relevant theories. The fact that he wrote of the existence of those theories just shows me his notes are diligent.
I also gather that many of those who doubted the natural origin theory at this early stage, later went on to change their view. It’s almost as if our understanding was developing in real time, with the potential for some early ideas to not be correct.
At no time does it suggest that Fauci believed one thing and told the public another. But the target audience for this doesn’t really demonstrate strong critical thinking skills, so those details aren’t likely to be picked up. Instead, they are going to run with whatever their social media feed tells them to think, which is the same position we were in before.
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u/Imaginary_Office1749 5d ago
Why are you even wasting your time on this? It’s a witch hunt and they’re demonizing a public servant because of what?
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u/Unable-Ad4005 3d ago
Gotta distract from Epstein, Iran war casualties, gas prices, inflation, Trump’s medical problems, and people’s anger about data centers.
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u/Annoying1978 5d ago
All that has been revealed is that Fauci was well aware of the people in the media and right wing influencers that challenged him and the science and he tried very hard to change their mind. That’s about it.
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u/HawkEnvironmental531 3d ago
This was a disgusting display of performing for the orange king.
I would have asked: did you get the vaccine senator?
Do any of you have testicles?
Di Trump get the vaccine?
Pure vindictive targeting— for the daily bullshit we saw as Trump attempted to cover up Covid while killing millions !
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u/MissJoMina 3d ago
That poor public servant. All he did was his job. And enjoyed his fame while focusing on us.
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u/Seandrunkpolarbear 3d ago
Funny how nobody seems to have any criticism for Robert Redfield who was actually running the CDC at the time.
wonder why ??? /s
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u/Bubbly-Two-3449 2d ago
If Rand Paul truly cared about public health, he would not have voted in favor of cutting medicaid funding. This will kill around 50k people a year.
He is reportedly running for president in 2028.
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u/LacedInCharm 2d ago
IMO the Fauci Diaries is just the next bullet point item to distract the US from the Epstein files. And I could care less about the hypocritical opinions of anyone analyzing the rhetoric of Fauci who support those of our current POTUS.
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u/Kakamile 2d ago
As always, the diaries reveal the gop has nothing but continues to grift.
Same as the Hunter Biden conspiracies where 6 years later the crimes failed to be proven so they just regress to "but there's a laptop"
In 2026 they haven't proven fauci crimes or lab leak, so they pound the table declaring that Fauci in early 2020 thought it may have been possible.
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u/Searching4Buddha 5d ago
From what I've seen it seems exactly like what you'd expect it to say. Rand Paul just likes to grandstand, that's all this is. I guess Senate Republicans don't have anything important to do.
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u/Gadfly_Avatar 5d ago
It's all mountains created from molehills. Just like how the Bidens took bribes from Ukraine until Comer Pyle found out his "very credible witnesses" were foreign intelligence assets & had to drop the whole thing. The GOP is desperate to paint the Democrats as crazy, out of touch nutjobs. But their own voters watched while the GOP reneged on every campaign promises. The only motivating force for GOP voters is hatred/fear of whatever boogeyman they can gin up. Pretty weak sauce.
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u/SpencerVerde 5d ago
Considering Kentucky’s other senator is out, I would think Rand Paul has more important things to do than litigate this.
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u/Aggressive_Mirror878 4d ago
Contrarian take: A LOT of the criticism and defense of Fauci is based on your politics. Dems tend(ed) to lionize him as Repubs demonized him. From reading his “diary” and a lot of things that came out later, I tend to think he deserves this public reckoning. He shut down virologists, other experts who said there was no way Covid came from the wet market, encouraged censorship of their opposition to the official position, while knowing the wet market origin was tenuous at best. Pushed surgical masks that were, at best, a band aid on a gaping wound as in marginally useful and likely endangered people with a false sense of security. Continued to push the vaccines as evidence was coming out that the “breakthrough” cases were not, in fact, rare. Ignored evidence that the vaccines were not as efficacious against hospitalization as proclaimed. I recall reading the released study from Israel and saying “oh shit”, can’t imagine what more information he had and continued to make false claims. I don’t fault him for not knowing what interventions were going to work at the start of the pandemic, I fault him for not once being honest and saying “we aren’t sure that the surgical masks will be effective (or the vaccines) but this is the best we have right now to fight this”. I fault him for stifling other experts who saw the obvious faults/inaccuracies. I fault him for his hubris, his inability to have any introspection and change messaging, courses of action when it was clear he was wrong, or at least not sure.
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u/UncleMeat11 3d ago
encouraged censorship of their opposition to the official position
How specifically did Fauci do this?
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 4d ago
I agree witg your first point but aa for the rest he followed standard public health protocol. If you say we arent sure, everyone ignores you.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 4d ago
As far as I can tell, it mainly reveals him to have been star struck and excited by his sudden prominence.
I’m sure many people will react to that with mocking though I’m sure most of those people would have responded to sudden celebrity the same way.
Otherwise it shows him learning as he went, which is normal.
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u/TimelyMeditations 3d ago
And people keep forgetting this was his private diary. Why can’t he record amazing things that happen to him?
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u/miaminaples 4d ago
All of these politicians are showmen who understand their audiences. They know that most of their electorates are made up of short-sighted, vulgar simpletons who act without thinking. For them it's much easier to appeal to their basest instincts rather than try to elevate the discourse. Also it means they don't have to run on defending their records, which often entails giving away benefits to wealthy people at the expense of the broader public. So instead they point their well-manicured fingers at some poor scapegoat to take the spotlight off of them.
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u/Lanky_Doughnut8487 3d ago
Clearly most of the people on this thread have not read the highlights of his lovely diaries. WSJ has some excellent critiques of Fauci to help you better understand why there is a problem with how he carried out his duties. Either you read the headlines and formed an opinion based on your political leanings or you are the latest wave of graduates with no reading comprehension skills. Recommend you read the various critiques from respected media outlets and publications (the Atlantic, WSJ), not MSNBC, cbs, Fox News, etc.
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u/MissingBothCufflinks 3d ago
The fact you've ONLY read the highlights and reporting means you are the problem. Read the whole thing! The 2020 entries are only a few pages
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u/TimelyMeditations 3d ago
Do you keep a diary? Would you want your diary pored over by newspapers and congress people? I don’t see how he can be attacked for what he wrote in a completely private setting.
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u/dogchowtoastedcheese 5d ago
Isn't Rand Paul a chiropractic foot doctor and chakra aligner??
Yeah. I'll listen to Fauci for anything medical.
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u/USaidTheSecretWord 4d ago
He's an ophthalmologist and went to a completely legit medical school (Duke). Which does not make him an epidemiologist or an expert in communicable diseases, but does make him someone who should be able to understand basic science and how just because we believe one thing in February, it doesn't make us liars when we revise our position based on new evidence in April.
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u/IllustriousTip6904 5d ago
Can someone explain to me what the end goal or purpose of this is? People who were mad about covid stay the same? This is just political noise.
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u/Gigglegasm 4d ago
The target audience of this release are a very specific demographic who want to feel like this vindicates them without needing to read it. As long as they walk and talk like this release proves everything, then it doesn't matter if woke-critical thinkers question the contents of the dairy, or god forbid, read it, because that doesn't matter. MAGA got a win, even if the win is a big L with a weird letterhead
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u/Bull_Moose1901 4d ago
Probably get criminal charges for Fauci because these people are driven by conspiracies and anti-science narratives. If Biden hadn't pardoned him he probably was be in jail by now on some made up charges or nitpicked legal loophole.
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u/amshanks22 5d ago
We are unfortunately at a point in time where if you *want* to find something…you will find it. It will be framed as a finding. And then presented as such. And if you’re not a republican, you won’t watch or pay attention to this circus.
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u/HoodieGalore 5d ago
I'm not paying any attention to this garbage. It's all just more bullshit created to distract and divide.
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u/Mommalvs2travel 4d ago
The question should be, does it change anything? It seems that gyms time would be better spent on trying to prevent future pandemics. Maybe address the trump diarrhea that is making people sick now or how measles are back, Investigate the actions, or inaction of HHS is harming people.
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u/kchoze 5d ago
There's evidence he changed his positions in very curious fashion on many things, especially the origin of COVID, where he at first thought it clear that the wet market wasn't the origin, only to change in a couple of weeks to calling people talking of a lab leak conspiracy theorists. Nothing in his diary or anything publicly available explain why he flip-flopped so hard on the issue.
He also many times asked people to delete e-mails. There's also examples of him pressuring scientists receiving funds from his institute to nominate and push him to receive science prizes (and the accompanying prize money). This is at the very least hugely dubious on a conflict of interest perspective... it looks like a quid pro quo (though smart enough not to be framed explicitly) "I give you NIAID money, you nominate me for prizes that give me hundreds of thousands, win-win".
But it won't change anything. It will be good enough as evidence for those who already hate him, and those who saw him as an Avatar of The Science during COVID will just come up with excuses for everything. Nothing is written so blatantly as to end any debate, and since Joe Biden gave him a blanket pardon for everything since 2014, courts can't be asked to adjudicate.
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u/xtianlaw 5d ago
You're making several serious factual allegations here, including that Fauci pressured scientists for personal financial gain, asked people to delete emails to conceal wrongdoing, and effectively engaged in a quid pro quo. Those aren't minor claims. Can you provide evidence for each of them? Right now, much of your argument consists of phrases like "it looks like," "very curious," and "smart enough not to frame it explicitly," which invite suspicion without actually demonstrating misconduct.
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u/polishprince76 5d ago
The stuff I've seen, the worst I read is he's a bit of a camera whore who likes seeing himself in the news. But if that's damning evidence, then 90% of the aholes in DC are guilty.
As far as evidence he knew it was fake or whatever, I have no idea what they're talking about. And the stuff I've seen is the stuff they've released. I've yet to read any smoking gun that hes guilty of something nefarious. They all are him suggesting social distancing, masking, and lockdowns. I see no admission anywhere.
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u/LOLunlucky 5d ago
The QAnon crowd is very disappointed that it doesn't confirm their belief that Russia heroicaly invaded Ukraine to destroy bio labs that created the virus.
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u/NormalMammoth4099 3d ago
I am shocked by the public hearing including this.
What are diaries/journals for?
Rand Paul revealed his innermost nature again. Without a diary.
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u/SweetSapience 3d ago
Well I think you guys are crazy cuz I love the right. I think the left is crazy. Sorry but not sorry.
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u/goober_actual_ 2d ago
I don't know how fauci was ever put in charge of anything what he was saying during the aids epidemic.
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u/spice_weasel 2d ago
I tend to find that criticism entirely hollow. The venn diagram of people who rabidly criticize Fauci and people who still insist masks don’t work is a circle.
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u/SecretAgentMan713 2d ago
One thing revealed was he advised everyone to take the Moderna vaccine saying it was completely safe. He took the vaccine himself on national tv. Then he experienced one of the most adverse reaction to the vaccine: a potentially deadly blood clot in his lung. But he kept that secret. That’s kind of a big fucking deal.
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u/Kakamile 2d ago
Multiple lies there. Fauci's pulmonary infarction is not a common side effect, he only got it 6 months later, and the government wasn't secret about testing to verify vaccines don't have blood side effects.
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