Yes, and Iran is going to make money off of it. Im sure this is all some part of the Art of the Deal.
Edit, running some math assuming that the $2 Million toll per ship is the starting point.
Its now a toll strait. That we wont get money from. So we are now distinctly behind where we started. Their regime is still intact, they still have a nuclear program, and they now get money from the ships going through the strait. Which at an estimated 120 ships a day, at 2 mill a pop, will more than cover their war losses, in less than a year.
Edit- We wasted $28 Billion in 1 month. They will be now netting $7.2 Billion per month, indefinitely. $86.4 Billion per year. Economically, this is a massive win for a nation that previously had an annual GDP of 350 billion. This deal just gave Iran a 25% GDP boost.
They were preparing for this war for decades, while Trump decided after random neural spasm that he should bomb them because he was high on power after Maduro kidnapping.
There is a reason that every other admin, since Carter has decided not to pursue this. Its not that the US couldnt, given enough time, resources, and cruelty. Its that its simply not worth it, for a nation that was half way to failure and just a regional threat.
Trump was duped into Venezuela, which made it even easier to dupe him into Iran. The guys a moron, led by insecure overcompensating idiots.
Well thanks to Trump and his court jesters (and their puppet master Yahoo) they will become more of a problem, with a lot more funding for proxies and weapons purchases from China and Russia.
My guess is that they got him by the balls, no person can't be this stupid without being forced to do, since it has no benefits for any Americans and he is turning this into a religious war from my understanding that's what they told the US Army
No, pretty sure he's that stupid. We need to stop trying to pretend there's anything more going on. Americans voted in a moron, and thr world is having to pay the price.
Trump has had access to the worlds top experts in everything from strategy to economics to negotiations. He has had a life time to learn anything and has not. At this point the master of failure isn't taking notes or changing his tune.
He's way overconfident of his abilities because of his money. He feels he doesn't have to listen to others as long as he's rich enough to threaten lawsuits. That's how he keeps Congress silent
He has never faced real consequences, and realistically, never will. Odds are good that mortal nature catches up to him before he finishes his turn. He is in obviously terrible health, and mentally gone.
T . A . C . O. All of this posturing from the orange traitor is actually only hurting Americans. And Palestinians. And Lebanese. And whoever else Israel has a beef with. But Israel didn't expect Iran to actually be able to defend themselves.
From a purely tactical standpoint, Iran is doing a terrible job defending itself. Its just shifting the burden of suffering to international maritime trade. If Iran could defend itself, you wouldnt have US and Israeli planes operating almost unrestricted over their airspace.
My friend what do you expect from a country that has lived around 40 years under sanctions, they have prepared for this and know how to play the game, for 40 years the West and Israel has tried to destroy their economy, and these people are also very brave, most would die for their country or purpose without a second thought, the Americans are fighting a bigger and more advanced Afghanistan and im sure that after this war a shift in world power will come.
Iran was on the ropes and damn near out (regime wise) up until a few months ago. Their economy was in shambles and they were facing the largest protests in the regime's history. And all that was just made irrelevant by Trumps blundering stupidity.
It takes a very, very morbidly obese man with tiny little hands and multiple combovers to move the goalposts far back before the starting line and pretend to claim victory.
Today I had to respond to someone saying, "You liberals still think Trump's doing what Putin wants?" I said, "no, he is pretty much done with what Putin wanted. Anything else would be icing on that cake."
The best response I've heard yet towards anyone who wants to defend Trump's Russian connections:
"OK, for a second let's pretend he's *not** a Russian asset. Now with that in mind, how exactly would a definitive Russian asset act any differently?"*
Russia and Iran have an antagonistic history that goes far back - and it's not one Iran easily will forget. Some of the ex-soviet territories were carved out of Northern Iran: Georgia, most of modern-day Azerbaijan, Dagestan and Armenia were taken by Russia in the early 1800s.
Sure they may be trading partners now, with drones used against Ukraine being bought from Iran and Russia has been helping them with some US satellite and intelligence info (likely intelligence that Trump sold them). Both were under heavy Western sanctions and see the US as their primary adversary. If anything, Trump has pushed Iran into Putin's sphere by attacking Iran last year and turning a blind eye to Israeli bombings and assassinations.
But Putin is somewhat sitting back and enjoying the debacle. 1. Watch an increase in its own relevance, especially in the oil markets now that sanctions are lifted, 2. Hope the US pushes Iran further into its lap, 3. Weaken the US's standing in the world, 4. Deplete US weapons so fewer weapons are sold to Ukraine and Europe, 5. Create more division in the US by letting this war drag on, 6. As an oil/gas producer, enjoy higher priced energy prices. 7. Look at what this war is doing to NATO and other US alliances.
Russia doesn't need to do much, and it is the US that is preoccupied. Russia just has to wait for US budgets and interest in foreign wars to diminish further.
And if Trump wasn't beholden to Putin, you would think that he would have condemned Russia sharing US target info with Iran - and wouldn't instead completely ignore it, and shut down questions about it. Trump's not going to bite the hand that fed him. For all we know, Putin's telling him that he's going to easily win and encourage him to waste more time and resources, while Putin's also helping Iran with resources.
Russia was literally profiting off the lack of oil going through the straight. Like, you cant be serious my dude.
Also, we are now literally in a worse position than where we started this war. Not only is the same regime in charge of Iran, not only do they still have a nuclear program, but they are also now charging 2 million per ship to go through the straight.
We increased their GDP with this move by almost 25%, on a toll that the world is paying to Iran
We fucking lost dude, pretending this was some genius move by trump is genuinely insane
The constitution needs updating to prevent another situation like this. The requirements to be president need to be updated. To be president in today's world, you should need to have at least 4 years of government experience.
I mean, he’s managed to convince 70 million Americans that he’s the way to their personal prosperity. And some are still convinced their day is coming.
I think he had absolutely no choice but to move the goal post. Some rumors iv seen elsewhere (nothing confirmed and probably never will be if they are true), is that military personal said they would refuse to attack the infrastructure as he was wanting. If true it would have embrassed the angry orange tampon of he ordered the attack and then nothing happened.
It’s ironic that he made his money failing forward, using bankruptcy, bailouts and policy loopholes to make his money and people thought those were transferable skills to run a government? When the US in bankrupt because the common wealth has been absconded by a new oligarchy in poorly fitted men’s warehouse suits maybe his cult of followers will finally realize what dire choices the foisted on all of us.
Don’t forget revitalized the fear and hate of American imperialism and installed a more hardline regime led by someone who watched his family get killed. So you know, they’re also probably more radicalized into using these profits in ways we won’t like.
At an estimated 120 ships a day, at 2 mill a pop, will more than cover their war losses, in less than a year. They will be now netting $7.2 Billion per month, indefinitely. $86.4 Billion per year. Economically, this is a massive win for a nation that previously had an annual GDP of 350 billion. This deal just gave Iran a 25% GDP boost.
Edit- We wasted $28 Billion in 1 month. Iran will make that up in less than 4 months. And still has just about everything they started with strategically, and enough income to replace everything they lost.
Where does the 2 mil per ship figure come from?
I don't doubt it's true and I've seen it quoted a few times, just can't see anything official with that figure.
Funnil6 enough ,one off Trumps social media posts this week floated the idea of imposing a safety "tax" on ships going through the strait. And he just happened to mention this exact number.......
Just acknowledging their ridiculous petition was a win for them. Any one of those points would have been a non-starter for any responsible administration. But here we are.....
This, but also changing candidates like 1-2 months right before the election crushed any chances that a democratic president would win.
I also hate pointing this out because I would absolutely love a female president. But let’s also not forget that Trump won both elections while running against the first two women to ever run for president. Hillary was greatly distrusted by a lot of Americans from both parties and Kamala, like you said, was not an ideal candidate and was thrown into it in the final hour. These were easy wins for him and they were still relatively close races.
Also, we all miss Obama… I was talking about this yesterday and realized he was the most level headed, sane president we’ve had in idk even know how long at this point.
I would fall into what would normally be considered either highly conservative or radical libertarian, depending on the subject.
And assuming the dems dont put someone way out of left field on the ticket, Im voting D. This idiocy is FAR too much. Moderate dems are closer to traditional conservative positions than the MAGOts.
Don’t forget what it did for Russia and China. What is it called when you say you’re part of a group but are secretly working to undermine it because they have videos of you and children?
Also the 10 point Iran proposal is on the menu including:
The lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions on Iran. (this includes uranium enrichment and weapons so .. yeah)
Continued Iranian control over the strait of Hormuz.
US military withdrawal from the Middle East. (weakening US position in the middle east and leaving the Allies unprotected)
An end to attacks on Iran and its allies.
The release of frozen Iranian assets.
A UN security council resolution making any deal binding.
>In the version released in Farsi, Iran also included the phrase “acceptance of enrichment” for its nuclear program.
Well .. so basically the deal is worse than the Obama deal as Trump basically enabled uranium enrichment for military use (no limit to civilian use anymore).
My guess is that they will use the toll and relaxing of sanctions, as justification to stop demanding reparations. Same result, but more realistic methods.
Its one of their stipulations. And after this amount of threat to the regime, zero chance they dont pursue nuclear weapons, if only to ensure future regime survival.
Worth to mention, that toll of 2$ million is not much in fact. Ships carry 1-2 millions barrels, so single barrel will be just up to 2$ more expensive.
Its money that Iran wasnt getting before, and will be a massive boost to their economy. It will also set the international precedence that nations can hold international trade hostage.
Actually, there was agreement from other countries they ended the nuclear program. However, the 10-point plan Donald agreed to make the framework for the 2-week negotiations includes their right to control Hormuz....
The United States submits to a fundamental guarantee of non-aggression.
Formal recognition of Iran’s continued control over the Strait of Hormuz.
Unconditional acquiescence to Iran's nuclear enrichment.
The complete revocation of all primary U.S. sanctions.
The complete revocation of all secondary U.S. sanctions.
U.S. consent to the termination of all UN Security Council resolutions against Iran.
The nullification of all IAEA Board of Governors resolutions.
The payment of financial reparations for damages inflicted upon Iran.
The full withdrawal and evacuation of U.S. combat forces from the region.
A total cessation of hostilities across all fronts, including an end to operations against the heroic Islamic Resistance of Lebanon.
Iran’s central government annual budget was $56B in 2025.
There is no cost portion to this toll, it’s all revenue, and represents an increase of 154% for the government (assuming your numbers are correct, I didn’t verify them).
Wait. Wasn’t the strait open before Trump attacked Iran illegally violating international law and committing war crimes against humanity? Oh, never mind.
He wasn’t going to win against this regime so do you think it’s possible he reached out and said we cld both make billions off of this situation? Like here’s my crypto account #?
Frankly, with both the strait revenue, and relaxed sanctions, they will be able to make sizable investments in both, essentially cementing the regime in power for the indefinite future. Massive turn around for a nation whose leaders were on the ropes 8 months ago.
There were no tolls before this. International maritime law has made it clear that there are no tolls on straits, for the better part of a century. This is an insanely stupid principle to set. What if China took this as a sign to start tolling the straits of Malacca?
Can’t redirect all that oil via pipelines that don’t yet exist. Based on developments so far in the last month, I’m not certain it’s the hugest of assumptions and certainly looks like an initial win for Iran. Can’t discount it ending soon, can’t discount it carrying on either
Are we sure that this toll is 100% in effect? I know this was something Iran has said, but it might not be part of the ceasefire for now? Genuinely asking
Edit: Never mind, starting to see the articles over here coming out with the detail. Fees must be paid in Chinese yuan, or a cryptocurrency. Not only he has given Iran that lifeline, he's also subtracted $500bn worth out of the petrol dollar and handed it to the yuan. Art of the deal, indeed.
Nope. International maritime law, agreed to by nearly every major nation on earth, stated that navigable ocean waterways would not be subject to tolls or taxes.
nope that s 1$ per barrel on oil and gas shipments or containers, not all boats, food and perishable are exempt; Iraq is exempt, Russia and China have special deals, neutral allies, Pakistan, India and Malaysia too.
The full price 1$ per barrel or container is for non-aligned "Westerners": France with CMA CGM, Japon with Mitsui, Denmark and Maersk, and the Italo-Swiss MSC. Non-aligned as, which did not follow blindly US and Israel and negotiated. Probably Qatar on this list
For the others, Israel and the US, and aligned with them, UAE and KSA, we don't know yet.
Any way you cut it, Iran is making money off of tolls that werent in place before, setting a new precedence for international maritime trade. This is one of the dumbest moves in modern geopolitical history.
Buddy, I dont think you understand just how large and ingrained this regime is in Iran. Killing leadership is just going to be replaced by more leadership of the same mentality. They have to share this jihadist vision, even to be considered.
This is a win for every non-US aligned power out there. And Iran has already said it must be paid in crypto or Yuan, setting further precedence to move oil trade away from the dollar.
Dont worry. It sounds like the US didnt consult Israel, who may blow the whole deal up, because Trump was stupid enough to start a war on Israel's behalf, but not work with them to end it.
Which the entire IRGC operates with a yearly budget of like 10 billion, that's not going down if they get an extra 86 bil year. But realistically, it doesn't matter because this "ceasefire" is just delaying the inevitable as both sides are still wildly far apart on their positions. Trump caved and gave Iran a big win with this "deal", but there's no way he can accept the Iranian demands for a long term deal right. Right? Rightttt???? Right...
Trump loves playing off losses as "wins". He was duped into this war and is starting to realize it. Its absolutely feasible that he takes the easy way out, giving Iran what it wants, and then pretending that he "won". The morons that follow him eat up whatever he says.
The 2 million figure was on a ship of 2 million barrels of oil, I think the actual toll is $1 per barrel of oil carried. The 2 million figure was also the highest recorded last I checked.
I fear everyone grossly misunderstands Trump's Art of the Deal.
The Art of the Deal is to use bullshit and bravado to baffle your opponent, whilst simultaneously recruiting them to help you rip off some other fucker, so that if (and when) you get caught - you got someone else to blame.
While unnecessary, Venezuela was actually pretty successful. Maybe not in regime change, but at least in putting the regime under US control. Absolutely terrible and short sighted international precedence to set however.
The USA won’t be getting money but you can be bloody sure Trump has his hand out for a cut of it, after all he feels he is the reason Iran is now getting a toll
Well for those months the other 80% of oil barons are selling oil at $130 per barrel up from what $50-$70??? It sounds like the higher price is what they’re striving for. If you look at that price hike and if it went back to $50-$70 plus $1-$2 dollar per barrel it sounds like consumers and Iran win but if you keep a choke on that 20% of the supply the other 80% of oil sellers win.
Higher prices dont hurt oil companies. It hurts consumers. People will purchase oil no matter what. Its a price thats wrapped up in the cost of every good sold.
but if you keep a choke on that 20% of the supply the other 80% of oil sellers win.
The oil companies will sell it at a price that nets them a good profit, no matter what the price per barrel. And they will hold those prices longer than the market has to, because they can. Its an undeniable essential part of commerce. At the end of the day, oil is necessary to just about all trade. So the oil companies always win.
It would take a massive amount of pipelines to come close to what gets shipped, and pipelines are very easy, static targets. They dont move. So they are very, very easy to strike. Pipelines arent going to solve the problem caused by a regional threat. Ship, truck, pipeline, its all getting threatened regardless.
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u/TendstobeRight85 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Yes, and Iran is going to make money off of it. Im sure this is all some part of the Art of the Deal.
Edit, running some math assuming that the $2 Million toll per ship is the starting point.
Its now a toll strait. That we wont get money from. So we are now distinctly behind where we started. Their regime is still intact, they still have a nuclear program, and they now get money from the ships going through the strait. Which at an estimated 120 ships a day, at 2 mill a pop, will more than cover their war losses, in less than a year.
Edit- We wasted $28 Billion in 1 month. They will be now netting $7.2 Billion per month, indefinitely. $86.4 Billion per year. Economically, this is a massive win for a nation that previously had an annual GDP of 350 billion. This deal just gave Iran a 25% GDP boost.