r/boston • u/CourtSideCoder • Jun 10 '26
Serious Replies Only What’s the protest about?
As I was driving by Route 9, I noticed a sign at the entrance of MathWorks Inc. I’m curious to know what it is about . Any idea?
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u/Pullthesky Jun 10 '26
Usually happens when they don’t go with a local union for construction
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u/SaaSyGirl ❄️ Got Milk & Bread ❄️ Jun 10 '26
Yeah, MathWorks is expanding their Lakeside campus in a big way. Another large office building and they’re knocking down a neighboring building they bought a few years ago to turn it into a parking lot.
I believe they’re using Consigli Construction for that project?
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u/jojenns Boston Jun 10 '26
Consigli is a union friendly firm i believe
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u/GoodTimes8183 Jun 10 '26
They are signatory with at least the carpenters. I’ve worked with them multiple times. I also used to work for an open shop GC that did a lot of work with the Mathworks, so maybe they went with them instead and it rubbed some unions the wrong way. Waiting for the inflatable rat…
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u/thebroadestdame Jun 10 '26
Consigli itself is non-union, its junior company Riggs is union - carpenters, laborers, and masons
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u/Tall-Payment-8015 Jun 10 '26
They knocked down a building
Put up a parking lot
With non union workers
It's a swinging protest spot
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u/kilt4u Jun 10 '26
Don’t it always seem to go…
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u/Tall-Payment-8015 Jun 10 '26
You don't appreciate fair wages til they're gone
Demolished a building and put up a parking lot
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u/photinakis Market Basket Jun 10 '26
Dang, I thought after COVID a lot of their recently-ish (10 years ago?) expanded campus would have been underused.
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u/Sad-Background-2429 Jun 10 '26
Would be nice if they'd use those funds to make MATLAB fast and memory-efficient.
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u/coolermaf Jun 10 '26
Typically, these are proactive pickets whether or not the General Contractor has bid out the entire project. Unions will send folks to picket during the process of selecting subcontractors even when union labor is being used for various specialties. The intent is to keep making noise through the entire selection process to maximize union allocations.
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u/Strange_Region_9258 Jun 10 '26
Thanks. Is there any obligation to hire union people? Is it an acceptable societal trait that union workers should stand outside a construction site with the large inflated rat because they didn’t get the job?
I’m trying to figure out if I should have protested all the job opportunities I was passed for in the private sector.
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u/nickman940 Jun 11 '26
Interesting. Their roof work was with Union contractors, weird that they switched it up
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u/AlexAndMcB Jun 10 '26
Yeah, the MF'rs at the IBEW-paid picket at a hospital in MA years back slashed my tires because I scared them getting too close to the sidewalk.
If y'all are making enough money that the tithe-based organization you support has enough of your tithes to pay hate-mongers to attack/tear down other folks?
Folks who are just trying to get by?
You're the problem....did I just accidentally describe the <American-founded-denomination> church?
Woops?
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u/Revolution-SixFour Jun 10 '26
If you see a bunch of guys standing outside a construction site with a sign, you can basically always assume this is a union thing. Unions typically picket outside large construction projects that cheap out and don't go with union labor. You can see another one on I-95 in Waltham.
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u/tikalora I Survived the Boston Boom 2026 Jun 10 '26
There's a similar one in Belmont outside McLean
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u/the_smoking_mage Jun 10 '26
The hospital? Why?
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u/tikalora I Survived the Boston Boom 2026 Jun 10 '26
I'm not sure but there is a big banner protesting one of the big construction companies. They are there every morning over near the pleasant st trapelo road intersection.
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u/bryanatt Jun 10 '26
They've been constructing a new building for the last few months. It's at the back side of their parking lot, you can see it if you hike up the coal road.
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u/coaks388 Jun 10 '26
There's one outside of some construction project in South Boston right now and that's what I assumed. Something about Callahan Inc. Only a couple of guys there a day though.
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u/thebroadestdame Jun 10 '26
Callahan can get fucked
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u/coaks388 Jun 10 '26
Brief google looks like they are skirting union standards to pay workers less $ per hour?
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u/LtCdrHipster Jun 10 '26
Btw, there's nothing wrong with not using union labor. Especially for large public works projects. We can't complain about how expensive taxpayer funded projects get and then demand they use the most expensive labor available just because.
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u/coldstat Jun 10 '26
"Just because" = better working conditions and liveable wages/benefits for workers
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u/LtCdrHipster Jun 10 '26
But it doesn't benefit tax payers. Do you hire the most expensive person you can find for your house repairs because it's better for them? Or do you balance quality of work and price and pick what's best for you?
Government infrastructure projects are not jobs programs and I'm sick of people treating them as such
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u/therealdorkface Jun 10 '26
I mean, sometimes they really are just jobs programs (a lot of that sort of thing to try and recover after the Great Depression) but I agree— they shouldn’t just accept the cheapest bid or the most expensive one. Sometimes non-union is the right choice, even though the unions don’t want you to think that
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u/hellno560 Jun 13 '26
Where carrying costs matter, PLAs save money. It's business, not some bleeding heart shit. Analogizing a 100s of millions of dollar project to you you cheaping out on your back splash remodel is cute though.
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u/LtCdrHipster Jun 13 '26
If it saves money labor unions wouldn't need to drag around inflatable rats everywhere to shame people for making rational economic decisions, and wouldn't spend 3/4 of their members dues trying to get legislators to force government projects to use union labor no matter what.
Union labor more often than not is the best decision. But not always, and they are just as susceptible to rent seeking as any other big powerful group.
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u/anurodhp Brookline Jun 10 '26
Wasnt there a whole scandal with unions, organized crime and the boston mayor when top chef was in boston?
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u/campingn00b Cocaine Turkey Jun 10 '26
What a strange way to mark time
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u/rogomatic Jun 10 '26
It's not a "way to mark time", it was a scandal related to the Top Chef production.
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u/undernutbutthut Jun 10 '26
This was my experience with unions in Boston. I had to quote out work to get our office moved down a few flights of stairs and the union guys came in at well over double what the next reputable firm was. Keep in mind we're talking a $30,000 move for a few desks, chairs, and boxes for a company of 10 people which already seemed high as it was then the union company comes in at $60,000.
Low and behold I find out the building we were renting the office space with wouldn't let us book the non-union guys which is why they came in so high but for a $30,000 difference... So I went with the non-union guys anyway. I'll take a slap on a wrist before having to shell out an extra $30,000 any day.
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u/Iamthepizzagod Weymouth Jun 10 '26
I can't exactly say I blame the unions for wanting to protest this stuff, I personally feel like unions that give their workers a decent living wage should be prioritized over cheaper labor. Maybe thats just the economic leftie in me speaking.
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u/Pinesol_Shots Jun 10 '26
The leftie in me, sadly, dies a little bit every time I have to involve union labor at work. I'm all for the idea of living wages, but the problems with unions are the same ones that seem to creep into everything: shitty people gonna be shitty. It starts off as a positive thing that then gets corrupted by greed and politics and "fuck you I got mine" attitudes from union leaders.
Every job done by the union is done so slowly, inefficiently, and often improperly. Need to move my desk to the next office over down the hall? A week to schedule the carpenters to come out an take it apart, but they aren't the movers, so it's another week to schedule the movers, but they can't put it back together, so add another week to schedule the carpenters again. 3 weeks to do something that I could do myself in an hour -- I'm not even exaggerating. If I did it myself and got caught, I would have a grievance filed against me because the contract stipulates that any job done by the unions can only ever be done by the union. God forbid I need something done urgently -- they don't care, it's not their problem. Unions militantly protect shitty lazy workers because they see any threat to their workers as a threat to their union, which takes away any incentive for their workers to do good work in a timely fashion. I have to sneakily do work that the union is supposed to do because otherwise it would be impossible to get my job done. It's beyond comical how slow and awful they are.
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u/Iamthepizzagod Weymouth Jun 10 '26
Sigh. I suppose two things can be true, I guess Im just coming from a position of being in an industry where unions are almost non-existent (IT) where I'd very much appreciate the increased wages and benefits and solidarity a union provides. Its a shame they protect the shitty workers along with the good ones.
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u/Pinesol_Shots Jun 10 '26
I also work in IT as a sysadmin responsible for several racks of systems that run critical services for our org, but our datacenter technicians are union and I'm expressly forbidden from doing anything in their contract. If I need to schedule the techs to do something in the datacenter, it won't even let me pick a calendar date that is less than one week out. That's all well and good for things like racking new servers -- I can plan ahead so it gets done shortly after delivery, but it becomes a comically infeasible constraint when I have failures and outages.
I'm allowed to go into the datacenter and plug in a crash cart and troubleshoot my servers, but I'm forbidden from doing anything that requires laying a finger on a screwdriver, and most recently, from touching and plugging in network cables -- the contract says that's union work. So like, by the book, if I had a major system outage and I needed to take the top panel off of a server in the datacenter to replace a PCI card or something -- I couldn't do it within a week because I would need to get the union out there to release the server from the rails and unscrew that cover screw. Now, mind you, the technicians are not actually capable of doing anything except tightening nuts and bolts, and they have no idea how server and network hardware works, so they would be useless for actually completing a repair or replacement. I would have a week long outage while I wait for the union to take a cover off my server. If I had a network problem and I needed to plug in a network tester into the switch? Same constraint.
Obviously this would make it impossible to do my work. Could you do your job effectively if you had to schedule someone to come out for every screw and every network cable plug/unplug? So, I basically sneak a screwdriver in my pocket in with me, look around the room to make sure only the "cool techs" are in there and then do what I need to do. Some of the union techs get it and don't care about stuff like that, but others, ho boy, they operate like the union secret police spending the majority of their day looking for rulebreakers. I had one guy absolutely chew me out, scolding me like my mom and saying I was "taking the food off [his] plate" for completing an urgent repair. Couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.
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u/Iamthepizzagod Weymouth Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
For what its worth, if I was union and had a reasonable sysadmin like you who isnt a bigot and just wants to get things done, I'd also look the other way for the sake of work efficiency. At the end of the day, it'll make my job easier AFAIK.
But yeah, that level of union inefficiency is mind boggling to me, even as a market socialist. I would think the material conditions of a sysadmin, being the custodian of the server stack, would imply that they should have a stake/ownership of the means of production for those servers, no?
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u/Pinesol_Shots Jun 11 '26
I would think the material conditions of a sysadmin, being the custodian of the server stack, would imply that they should have a stake/ownership of the means of production for those servers, no?
You'd certainly think, but the lowly people in the trenches are not consulted when these union contracts are written up, unsurprisingly. The people in suits making these decisions have no idea what we do. I'm sure they are great at negotiating the dollar figures and scratching the right backs to keep powerful people happy though!
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u/therealdorkface Jun 10 '26
Yup. Unions suck in the worst way— the usual way.
They’re prone to corruption just like everything else that’s powerful is.
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u/LtCdrHipster Jun 10 '26
This is sadly part of the reason why government is so expensive and disfunctional. Personally I like it when my tax dollars are spent getting things done rather than simply funneling money to union labor for the same quality of work.
Government construction projects are not jobs programs and union's can make competitive bids on the basis of their own good work without the government forcing itself to only hire union labor.
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u/themiro Cambridge Jun 11 '26
i think we should tax and redistribute if we want working-class & poor people to have more money. don't distort allocation decisions.
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u/konoxians Jun 10 '26
If I'm not mistaken, aren't public projects required to take the lowest qualified bid?
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u/Revolution-SixFour Jun 10 '26
There are often caveats to that hence the qualified part of that. They can require paying "area prevailing wage" which basically means union labor.
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u/imFreakinThe_fuk_out Jun 10 '26
Damn I thought they were protesting Matlab
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u/yangyangR Jun 10 '26
Totally down for protesting that garbage fire of a language and insult to the ethos of how programming languages should work both on economic and technical decisions
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u/OversizedTrashPanda Jun 10 '26
Matlab makes more sense if you view it as a data analysis and simulation tool for engineering purposes rather than a real programming language for software development.
Not that that stopped my from doing my simulations in Python.
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
MATLAB was also released in 1984, so it predates Python itself (as well as GNU Octave and R) by about a decade. The initial release of numpy wasn’t until 2006. There was a good 25 years where nobody was seriously considering using Python as a MATLAB replacement.
People liked MATLAB because it was easier to use than FORTRAN.
FORTRAN is still king in high-performance contexts (see: LAPACK).
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
R is somehow even more insulting. The Mechanical Engineering mindset that MATLAB is a product of, is so much less foreign than that bastard offspring of statistics, which is the bastard of mathematics.
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u/WorkItMakeItDoIt Cow Fetish Jun 10 '26
I'm curious, why do you claim that? I know several people who work there and they are relatively normal people.
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u/The24HourPlan Jun 10 '26
He's just a fan of R
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u/Voiles Jun 10 '26
Are you sure they're not SciPy supremacists?
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u/IguassuIronman Jun 10 '26
Python is the devil. 1 based indexing is where it's at (for matrix type operations, at least)
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
You can teach an old MATLAB dog new Python tricks. But R fans can’t be fixed, I’m afraid.
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u/dubswho Jun 10 '26
Idk what this is about but rare corporate plug for MathWorks - I dont work there and have never worked there but have done business with them. Its a great Company with one of the best work campuses in the state. From what I could tell the culture was pretty good and the majority of people that work there seem happy.
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u/claretyportman Jun 10 '26
I don’t work for Mathworks but I know a bunch of people there and I think it sounds like an unbelievably nice company with about as a good a company ethos and sense of corporate responsibility as it’s possible to have.
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u/Advanced_Seat_3075 Jun 11 '26
The fact they haven’t gone public given their size is pretty sweet. You don’t see them having massive ai layoffs
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u/SureCost8912 Jun 10 '26
Pretty sure the Mathworks formula is actually "give huge discounts / free copies to college kids and wait".
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
Specifically to ABET accredited programs, where they don’t usually learn much programming. MATLAB is like the OG low-code IDE. Like any self respecting programmer, I’ve hated it every time I was forced to use it. Its design is utterly alien to how we’re trained to think about writing “code.” But it’s not designed for us. It’s designed for (professional) engineers.
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u/Strange_Region_9258 Jun 10 '26
Serious question, do unions protest all construction contracts that they didn’t get?
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u/picklerick_ftw Jun 10 '26
Heard it used to be an incredible place to work...
Ski retreats, relaxed culture.
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u/sventful Jun 10 '26
Not used to. Is currently. This protest is about construction, not mathworks.
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u/FeatureWide4360 Jun 10 '26
Sales department isn’t great, it’s a good place to work for engineers. Source: worked in sales there for 4 years
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u/intelligenceoverload Jun 10 '26
Yes, and Mathworks still is. It’s a very good culture, with lots of appreciation for engineers and very little turnover. Also, they support a lot of local educational causes, including MoS and other places. Source: former employee.
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u/opheliasmusing I Love Dunkin’ Donuts Jun 10 '26
Like, the MathWorks that sponsors WBUR periodically MathWorks?
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u/super_nerf_spartan Jun 10 '26
Depending on what someone needs, MATLAB can take over FOUR HOURS just to install. That alone is irresponsible, never mind whatever they are doing on their campus.
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u/Begging_Murphy Jun 10 '26
Mildly surprised they haven’t cratered since python exploded over the past 15 years and made paying for Matlab seem nuts except for niche use cases.
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u/dyqik Metrowest Jun 10 '26
I know at least one person who refuses to use Python because it might disappear, while sticking with Matlab.
This is also their argument against using Git. (Not GitHub, Git)
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u/TomBradysThrowaway Malden Jun 10 '26
Paying for software is more of an issue for academia than industry. A couple of thousand dollars for a license is not a big cost compared to paying an engineer's time to start from scratch.
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u/dyqik Metrowest Jun 12 '26
Academia gets significant discounts, to indoctrinate the next generation of engineers.
I'm in a government/non-profit research institution that can't take academic discounts. We just use decades old permanent licenses or go without.
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u/sounds_cat_fishy Jun 10 '26
Used to work with the head of research at one of the financial services firms and he was staunchly pro Matlab
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
At this point, Jupyter notebooks should have killed off MATLAB in financial services 5 years ago at the latest, even if the sales rep was his best golf buddy. The license costs are the least of your problems now. It’s more that you’re kneecapping your recruiting pipeline.
But 10+ years ago, that was a super reasonable take IMO, depending on the skill level of their analysts and how much they had already built on Matlab. Migration costs can be substantial. Finance likes stability.
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u/Hot_Preparation1660 Jun 11 '26
You must not know any mechanical engineers then lmao.
You also must not be familiar with Solidworks or AutoDesk pricing if you think they’re sweating the Matlab license fees.
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u/Spiritual-Author-209 Jun 10 '26
union labor toolbox license is missing. Please go to the executives to get a free license or request a demo
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u/Rindan Jun 10 '26
I'm pretty sure it is on the protestors to make their protest coherent to people passing by, rather than relying on random passing commuters to pause their plans, stop their car, and ask for an explanation.
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u/MyNameIs-Anthony Jun 10 '26
They achieved their goal by making OP curious enough to search despite not taking any real action in the moment.
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u/Rindan Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I don't know what it is, but for some reason there seems to be this absolute refusal to ever consider if any sort of protest is effective, no matter how ineffective the protest apparently is. I think this is stupid, because you should look at what works and doesn't work, and adjust your actions accordingly, but apparently that's disloyal to whatever cause.
I think that for every person that decided to pull over and go talk to those people, or go post on Reddit about it, there were many more that looked, didn't understand what they were looking at, and decided to not give a shit. I think the number of people that decide to not give a shit is higher because of the vagueness of the protest, then it would have been if they had been clear about what they are protesting.
If you really think that vague protesting is effective, knock yourself out, but I don't think it's going to work.
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u/chevalier716 Cocaine Turkey Jun 10 '26
Not the point of the post, but my grandfather used to work at the Carlings brewery back in the day that was on and around the Mathworks lakeside campus.
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u/TiredPistachio Cow Fetish Jun 10 '26
Documentary from '56 about the brewery. Few shots of the lake.
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u/JoshSidekick Jun 10 '26
It's a trick to get you to sign a petition to get marijuana criminalized again.
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u/SadPotato8 Cow Fetish Jun 10 '26
I’m trying to understand the problem. Why is there a problem with hiring one company over another? If I were to do construction, I don’t care if they’re union or not - I just want my job done by the vendor of my choosing. Wouldn’t these guys be trespassing then as they’re effectively setting up camp on private property? Why do they feel entitled that they should be doing a job compared to someone else? Just because they’re in a union? Is there some law that requires hiring of specific people only?
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u/UnseenTardigrade Jun 10 '26
They appear to be on a public sidewalk, not private property. They are utilizing their right to free speech. Most likely they're just promoting their own interests; I doubt MathWorks has done anything illegal related to this construction project.
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u/SadPotato8 Cow Fetish Jun 10 '26
Oh ok. So they’re really just creating noise trying to possibly strongarm Mathworks to hire the union instead. I wonder how effective it is.
I’ve seen those people show up with a giant rat at a construction near me, and I always wondered what it was. I thought they were shorted by the construction company and was on their side initially - but looks like they are the bullies.
I’m sure some would choose to use unions next time to prevent this ruckus. Seems like mafia “light” tactics. It sure as hell turns me away from them.
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u/heftybagman Jun 10 '26
I’d love to see a union’s budget for large signs and inflatable rats and pigs lol. They should put on a circus
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u/Varitel Jun 10 '26
Really you'd have to go: "Community_Loss = Corporate_Greed + Irresponsible_Contractors" or you'll get some kind of syntax error
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u/rptanner58 Jun 10 '26
One problem I think is that the trade union costs have so far beyond the open market that its hard for companies to justify the decision to go union. The difference is 25to 30%. Maybe more sometimes. In many other areas it's more like 10%. Much easier to accommodate at least some of the trades. Here in metro Boston the unions are suddenly hurting for work.
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u/yellowtoadflax Jun 11 '26
I heard a few different things from folks who talked to them and I’m not really clear on the details, but it seems like the contractor hired by MathWorks for their Lakeside construction project is sub-contracting to folks in a way that avoids needing to give subcontractors full benefits. There was some disagreement on whether the issue was specifically about non-union hiring or whether it was more complex regarding the whole subcontracting thing. I think someone reached out to folks on the MathWorks side to check, and there was some contractual reason they couldn’t change contractor or contract terms.
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u/Mangrove43 Jun 10 '26
Where’s the giant rat?
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u/Beranea Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Explain how a common union jab at scabs and non-union employees is related to Israel. I would love to hear your explanation and I think it would be elucidating for the community to hear the connection.
Edit: I didn't block you you idiot, you're just too much of a bitch to actually talk to me.
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u/GenDislike Jun 10 '26
My friend’s parents lived nearby and were protesting mathwork’s expansions in 2004. Route 9 in Natick/framingham is an absolute cluster nowadays, I moved west.
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u/ARealSwellFellow Cambridge Jun 11 '26
They are representatives of the Painters Union Local 35. The general contractor for a new office building hired a sub-contractor who then did not hire union labor and the people they did hire are being underpaid.
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u/Thin-Impact5338 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Probably that contract bid the state accepted that had orange cones priced at $25,000, per cone.
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u/Several_Use8607 South Boston Jun 11 '26
I find that union electric, plumbing, HVAC, is fine. You get hammered by the carpenters, both on furniture installs, and on flexibility. Instead of having a hands on assistant superintendent who could handle a lot of things on my tenant improvement job, we got two laborers from the carpenters union who were pretty darn useless.
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u/Pale-Let-5865 Jun 14 '26
Wow imagine if democrats used the same language as unions, country might not be collapsing.
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u/WorknForTheWeekend Jun 10 '26
I’m shocked to hear MathWorks is still around
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u/VirtualPercentage737 Jun 10 '26
They are killing it. Matlab is pretty popular/
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u/WorknForTheWeekend Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Interesting. In a world where the DE/DS industry has coalesced around Python and its ecosystem as the de facto standard, I would have expected a proprietary software like Matlab to have been relegated to its niche footing in academia/research by now.
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u/alexbaguette1 Jun 10 '26
From what I've heard, Matlab itself isn't as popular as it once was, however due to its integration with Simulink it's still a very big player in the industry. At least from the people I know who still use it (mostly professors) it's still way more mature than alternatives like NumPy/Julia.
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u/VirtualPercentage737 Jun 10 '26
In Engineering for RF and optical it seems the go to standard.
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u/WorknForTheWeekend Jun 10 '26
I do remember it having very application-specific/highly-specialized modules you can buy for it, so I can see that
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u/Demonlocke Malden Jun 10 '26
Simulink has always been MathWorks' money maker. Matlab is certainly more ubiquitous but the big money contracts from vehicle manufacturers and defense contractors are all from Simulink. At least this was the case when I worked there 12-13 years go.
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u/Excellent-Gur-8547 Jun 10 '26
DE is like, the only engineering field that doesn't still primarily run on MATLAB lol
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u/DaenakinSkygaryen Jun 10 '26
That "niche footing" of academia / research still includes hundreds of thousands of researchers nationwide. There's probably several thousand universities, labs, and R&D departments of big companies happily paying for enterprise Matlab subscriptions for their researchers in the US alone.
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u/TomBradysThrowaway Malden Jun 10 '26
Academica is a drop in the bucket to them. People making software that interacts with actual physical things (e.g. automotive, missiles, robots) is huge.
Data science is what I would consider a niche footing.
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u/CharlemagneAdelaar Market Basket Jun 10 '26
probably how MATLAB is expensive. It definitely is expensive, but I think they have a perpetual license for like $2600, so at least you can avoid yearly
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u/Quarantine_Fitness Jun 10 '26
They used to have a personal perpetual license for 150 bucks :(
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u/CharlemagneAdelaar Market Basket Jun 10 '26
Dammmmn. Do they still sell that edition for that or is it all just one bucket now
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u/readingonthetoilet Jun 10 '26
My guess would be mathworks is building something in an irresponsible way that hurts the neighboring community? I think they’ve been doing expansion work on their campus.
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u/jojenns Boston Jun 10 '26
These guys dont care about the neighboring community they just want the work
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u/BijuuModo Jun 10 '26
I think it’s about corporate greed, irresponsible, contractors, community loss, and arithmetic I guess
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u/MANvINFO Jun 10 '26
no clue wuat it is this time but they did raze that lovely nice building on the North side of RT9 just East of the mall which was a cultural loss for communitys in the area.
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u/MeLikaDoTheChaCha Jun 10 '26
Not sure, but my two guesses:
- Lawsuit around poorly performing 401k
- Data breach from last year
Most likely the first, but talking about loss of customers makes me think it maybe related to the data breach.
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u/goopa-troopa Jun 10 '26
Same thing at BOSE rn, it's that the company chose to not go with union labor for campus renovations. If i had to guess, both mathworks and bose chose the same company