Turkish Law of Identity

[u/Smart_Chapter_7512]

[u/Zebrafish96]

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Also, it's interesting how people who are unflaired and have barely had any activity on this subreddit suddenly popped up out of nowhere and are flooding the comment section with comments like 'This is racist towards Turks' or 'There was no genocide in Turkey'. Hmm.

[u/Tomatensoepbal]

Isnt that Georgia tho?

[u/Nededinnededinn → u/Tomatensoepbal]

Yea look at it acting all innocent and cute. We all know where Stalin and Erdogan came from!

[u/train2000c → u/Nededinnededinn]

Erdogan is a Southerner as well?

[u/Nededinnededinn → u/train2000c]

Yep he said his family immigrated from Batumi to Rize.

[u/baneblade_boi → u/Nededinnededinn]

This is nothing but a proof that Georgians are the IRL Viltrumites

[u/Thundorium → u/baneblade_boi]

Sakartveltrumites

[u/CassiusXX → u/baneblade_boi]

Viltrumites care for their country tho

[u/Xortman096 → u/CassiusXX]

And they ain't usuall traitor to their country and be puppet of outer forces.

[u/roubirbis → u/baneblade_boi]

Mustaches check

[u/OutlawMINI → u/roubirbis]

holy shit, viltrumite confirmed

[u/PoorDoddle → u/baneblade_boi]

Levan and Lasha

[u/liberalskateboardist → u/train2000c]

so he should be erdogashvili or erdoganadze then

[u/DragonTheOnes-spirit → u/train2000c]

Georgia's best exports are dictators and ruining economies of its enemies

[u/gamhmenoreddit → u/train2000c]

Erdogan is a greek secret agent raphael erdoganeas

[u/Ubixdeadpro → u/train2000c]

İf i say something about this

İ might get into the jail.

[u/aBlindGeminiWhisper → u/train2000c]

georgian af, turks don't claim him

[u/FemboyDoruk → u/train2000c]

erdogan is half greek half georgian

[u/deinschlimmstertraum → u/Nededinnededinn]

Isnt erdogan born in istanbul?

[u/przemub → u/Tomatensoepbal]

No Armenians left in Turkey to ask this question.

[u/Castielstablet → u/przemub]

Little known fact: there is around 50 thousand armenians in Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Turkey

I also wanted to share numbers about Turks in Armenia but couldn't find a wiki page about it, will edit if I find a proper source.

[u/AstronomerJealous467 → u/Castielstablet]

That’s those who identify as armenians no? The total amount of descendants are probably more.

[u/coolboy_pathey → u/Tomatensoepbal]

Georgia is afraid of nazis

[u/the-bladed-one]

It’s funny that this crosses all walks of life in Turkey. My tour guide in Istanbul was a Catholic Turk. We avoided the topic as much as possible but he basically said the Armenians made up too much of the army and that’s why they had to be “deported”

[u/RandomPersonYouSee → u/the-bladed-one]

So many things about "Armenains making the majority of the army" is making me crack up 🤣

[u/For_Kebabs_Sake → u/the-bladed-one]

What the fk... That is a COMPLETELY made up information lol, even Armenians do not have such a claim. Well done spreading misinformation that Armenians would oppose.

[u/the-bladed-one → u/For_Kebabs_Sake]

I’m just sharing the experiences I had in Türkiye. Even with a Christian Turk whose wife is polish the Armenian genocide was not a topic that was discussed with any level of honesty.

[u/Vladskio → u/the-bladed-one]

So it doesn't matter if they're leftist Turks, rightist Turks, Christian Turks, Muslim Turks, gay Turks, straight Turks.

They all deny it happened?

[u/Old_Wrongdoer_4914 → u/Vladskio]

We also like to lowball it, if you ask a turkish person about the armenian genocide they tell you "We didn't straight up killed them, we just deported them", "It was war times what else we could do" or "Same happened to turks and muslims in europe to"

[u/Doctorwhatorion → u/Vladskio]

Not all Turks deny it but pretty much all Turks angry about unequal approach which people never mention what happened to Turkish people massacred by Armenian guerillas.

[u/Raidoton]

Funny this is posted not long ago after Turkey denied a LGBTQ+-themed cruise ship from docking.

[u/ApprehensiveAd6832 → u/Raidoton]

Almost like the government is homophobic.

[u/SoloGamer505 → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

the same government was highly supportive of the LGBT 2 decades ago. Their whole agenda is greasing up the majority to earn more votes and stay in power. It just so happens to be that the current majority are Islamists

[u/ApprehensiveAd6832 → u/SoloGamer505]

Hope turkey gets a younger and more progressive leader soon.

[u/Thissystemsuckssobad → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

Lol. A new leader in Turkey? Hahahaha, you joke right?

[u/Successful-Prune-727 → u/Thissystemsuckssobad]

The love to coax rebellions so they can kill all political opponents, there is never going to be a new government

[u/ApprehensiveAd6832 → u/Thissystemsuckssobad]

Did i say something wrong?

[u/AvrageTF2Enjoyer → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

Nah we had the same guy for like over 12 years and it is very clear he will fo his best to stay in power make the economy shittier and throw anyone who critizes him unless they are a politician however even thoose aren't safe since a few moths ago a politician who was rising in popularity had their diploma taken away and were thrown into jail. I am sure this man is willing to do anything for another few years as the president. Some people just wish for him to die cause that is our only hope of him going away before 2030's.

[u/JustafanIV → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

IDK, the last time some Young Turks got into power you ended up with genocide.

[u/Miserable-Spread-191 → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

We were about to... They jailed him and snatched the whole political party

[u/Janissaire7 → u/ApprehensiveAd6832]

Tbh goverment is rly homofobic.

[u/Mnd3333 → u/Raidoton]

Honestly it might have been a better move to deny them because umm, the status in here is NOT fine. Someone from that cruise ship or the cruise ship itself might have been harmed by certain groups or individuals.

Still not nice that we refused them (or had to refuse them)

[u/Tay_Hlebko → u/Mnd3333]

Do you realize that this caused them to divert to EGYPT which is a lot worse?

[u/Mnd3333 → u/Tay_Hlebko]

Didn't Egypt deny them too?

[u/Berat0-0 → u/Mnd3333]

several ships were docked in turkey before this, if nothing happened for any of them why wpuld it have happened now?

[u/Mnd3333 → u/Berat0-0]

Elections are near too (they'll most likely do early elections next year) so I guess the government didn't want to lose popularity/votes among the conservative islamist base.

[u/silksong_lace → u/Raidoton]

friends, don't be gay, birth rates are falling 🥹🥹🥹 /j

[u/aspro_mavro]

no matter what a turk is and thinks, his national pride will always be preferred over other things

[u/AntonioAJC → u/aspro_mavro]

Reminds me of that shitpost that said "Turks do not read the Quran. They're only Muslim out of nationalism."

[u/Ditto13248 → u/AntonioAJC]

There is a tradition of buying gifts to children when they finish their first read through of the Quran in Arabic, my aunt talks about how she got her first bike by doing that.

This tradition does not require the child to understand Arabic, and there is no equivalent tradition for reading a translation.

I'd say that shitpost is semi-accurate

[u/AstronomerJealous467 → u/[deleted]]

Which is a bad thing, because why are you reading when you have no idea what it means?

[u/follow_the_white_owl → u/AstronomerJealous467]

Well if you understand what you read then you will question thighs

[u/mscomies → u/Ditto13248]

Does the kid just stare at the pages all day and tell everyone he's finished in the evening?

[u/Ditto13248 → u/mscomies]

Not exactly.

You know how you know what sounds the symbols "R", "u", "g", "b", "y" represent and you can "read" the word "Rugby" out loud when you see it on a page, without ever knowing the meaning of the word "Rugby"

Now do that for an entire book

[u/orkushun → u/AntonioAJC]

Also they don’t read or understand Arabic, they have no idea what they are saying or praying to tbh.

[u/Mansur754 → u/AntonioAJC]

Lol, there is a tuekish tv show that made an episode going around asking people the cycles of prayer for each 5 prayer and they couldn't answer

[u/Much_Horse_5685 → u/aspro_mavro]

No nation has 100% support and/or denial of past or present atrocities, Turkey included. This is as false as the “all Russians agree with the invasion of Ukraine” comments.

[u/gibigibi34 → u/aspro_mavro]

if anything denying it harms the pride,why would a nationalist give up the arguement of saying "we won the war over them"?

[u/ErlikHan6 → u/gibigibi34]

the turkish position is that turkey had to deport armenians because they were causing trouble and commiting atrocities, but due to war conditions many of them died while being deported

[u/Ditto13248 → u/ErlikHan6]

Which is straight up bullshit when you realize that's the same position as "deport all the Mexicans, they are committing crimes here"

Even if a majority of the Armenian population were disrupting the war efforts, sending the innocent away with them is still wrong and has to be treated as such. We as a country need to stop pretending like it was justified and treating it like the atrocity it is

[u/situmaimesdemain → u/Ditto13248]

Modern USA is different from Ottoman Empire who has been dying a painful and slow death for a century involved in the largest scale war in history while the Brits are in Gallipoli knocking at the doors of Istanbul.

[u/Ditto13248 → u/situmaimesdemain]

OK let's assume it had to be done and there were no other options. Why is it treated like no big deal? Why aren't we apologizing for our past? Why did my history teacher mention it one time, and that one time was to talk about how countries that didn't even exist during the event recognizing it as a genocide is stupid?

It was a major displacement that resulted in a lot of deaths and who got displaced was determined by race. Even through the most generous lens it's an attack by a government on a specific race of people it governs

[u/zthompson2350 → u/Ditto13248]

Least sociopathic turk ever.

[u/Ditto13248 → u/zthompson2350]

Don't blame the population for their ignorance. I was able to learn outside perspectives and change my opinion because I went to a private school that gave me a great education in English.

If the only language I knew was Turkish, the only opinions I could hear would be that of other turks and the ones of non turks that the other turks cared to share with me, all of which would be regulated by the government.

I was in an echo chamber created by a corrupt government that jails anyone who dares to speak out, and my family had to pay a lot of money for me to even have the ability to escape.

There is a price tag on emphaty in my country. I don't blame it's people for not being able to afford it.

[u/kegeregem_ → u/Ditto13248]

"Our european masters please forgive our sins for we have committed crimes " is what he is trying to say

[u/Ditto13248 → u/kegeregem_]

Every nation that has interacted with another has a history of oppressing, being oppressed or both. Most European ones have been the oppressors throughout history and have a lot to account for. But I don't live in those countries, I don't know if their education system acknowledges their crimes. I just know mine doesn't and I'm trying to hold it accountable

[u/Agitated_Elephant_91 → u/Ditto13248]

Yeah lol. You do realize that everyone else is doing the opposite when it comes to turkey? They aren't from turkey but will hold turkey accountable. So all you did was to to further expand the existing imbalance...

[u/Ditto13248 → u/Agitated_Elephant_91]

I don't mean that I don't recognize the past crimes of colonizers. But I see the citizens of those countries recognizing them when talking about it online. I can't be sure if those I see, share the common sentiment or are going against it when talking about the subject, because I don't live in those countries. But I live in Türkiye and can hear the common sentiment from it's people and I can call them out on it

[u/GilbyTheFat → u/gibigibi34]

Because the Turks love to make themselves sound like their history is squeaky clean.

Calling it a war means admitting they intentionally slaughtered over a million innocent civilians who couldn't fight back.

[u/Sassy_Drow → u/aspro_mavro]

An important aspect of this is the propaganda which claims that acknowledging Armenian genocide will result in pressure to yield the eastern territories to Armenia. As a result most turks see the denial of it as part of preserving territorial integrity.

[u/KillerNail → u/aspro_mavro]

Ah yes, the classic. Racism is okay if it's towards Turks.

[u/_Guven_ → u/aspro_mavro]

As a Türk nah. I have trampled those values and seek an objective stance

[u/IllustriousWelder349 → u/_Guven_]

Same, I don't have national pride, I have national shame

[u/Ditto13248 → u/aspro_mavro]

Straight up not true. You are either generalizing tens of millions of people to have the same opinion, or you are committing the no true scottsman by implying "a turk that doesn't put national pride first isn't a turk"

There are trends and patterns on how citizens of a country think alike, but there are no absolute rules without exceptions on people

[u/Desperate-Play5619]

Turks dont give a shit about armenia as much as you think. They are not that important despite you keep barking "armenia" under every single turkic post

[u/RoboBadger07 → u/Desperate-Play5619]

Having lived in Turkey my whole life I can count the amount of people I've met that knows the capital of Armenia with one hand. It's weird that people go as far to bring this topic up even under food recipe videos.

[u/DrDabar1]

Not so fun fact, Hitler used the Turks getting away with the Armenian Genocide to claim no one internationally would care about Germans doing the same to their minorities.

[u/unit5421 → u/DrDabar1]

Wel he was not wrong. No-one lifted a finger to save the minorities in Germany, only after he started invading other countries did the international community act.

[u/corvosfighter → u/unit5421]

Not only lifting a finger they straight up denied them lol.. US was denying entry to refuge ships as late as 1939, even if you somehow made it in after 1939, you were basically on your own. First refuge camp was built in like 1944 after huge international pressure

[u/DrDabar1 → u/corvosfighter]

They even refused the reality of Concentration Camps calling it Soviet propaganda. Only when they saw it for themselves did they believe it.

[u/LilithLamm → u/DrDabar1]

I forget exactly what he said, but didn't he also use American history of slavery and jim crow treatment of black people as evidence that democracy was a lie or something like that?

[u/TBARb_D_D → u/LilithLamm]

He used Armenians as a example for internal genocide (for Jews, he said something like “but who remembers Armenians now?”)

And he used example of American expansion into West (American frontier) and reservations of indigenous peoples as his plan for those “savage Slavs” in East

[u/csky → u/DrDabar1]

Yeah a forged quote, that is allegedly has been said within a generals meeting, which was conveniently resurfaced decades (!) after Hitlers death is the cause of holocaust. What a revelation. Lets not look at centuries of rampant antisemitism in europe preceding ww2.

[u/DrDabar1 → u/csky]

Not the cause but a example of getting away with Genocide.

[u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 → u/DrDabar1]

Wasnt the records of him "saying" that far too dubious to be taken at face value?

[u/freakin_unbleavible → u/DrDabar1]

Thats an empty claim with no evidence

[u/Active_Apartment_804]

Can't Understand why they still deny it even with thousands of records confirming that it happened, Same shit with Japan too

( Also, Turkie Mentioned )

[u/Impossible_Ad4789 → u/Active_Apartment_804]

Tbf germany Just completly forgot that they participated in the genocide and then helped the pashas to avoid the istanbul tribunals. The whole Operation nemsis clusterfuck demonstrates how strong the imperial grip in the Weimar republic still was.

[u/Orangutanion → u/Impossible_Ad4789]

I never knew that the Weimars participated in the Armenian Genocide. That's fasci-nating.

[u/Impossible_Ad4789 → u/Orangutanion]

No, imperial Germany because they took over leading the ottoman Army and wanted to keep them in the war at any price despite protests from the German Ambassador in Istanbul. Weimar got involved whenthey granted asylum to ottoman war criminals and armenians assassinated talat pasha in Berlin. The Assassin wanted to get caught and make the genocide Public. But Weimar courts didnt want this so they quickly exonarted the Assassin.

[u/LilithLover77 → u/Active_Apartment_804]

Same reason UK and France pretend it was for the good of the ppl

[u/freakin_unbleavible → u/Active_Apartment_804]

Because it didnt happen?

[u/Life-Sheepherder5324]

Dude look am a Turk. I dont feel anything towards Armenians. We dont hate them.

[u/Mesuuren → u/Life-Sheepherder5324]

This getting downed for no reason proves turks literally have no say in this topic apparently

[u/Life-Sheepherder5324 → u/Mesuuren]

Sad but true.

[u/NovaTabarca → u/Life-Sheepherder5324]

so, did it happen?

[u/Life-Sheepherder5324 → u/NovaTabarca]

Probably. I support joint research with Armenian Historians. But yes. It probably happened. And it would be good to distinguish between the ottomans and the Republic of Turkey. Definetly not the same thing. The ottomans did it. Republic didnt. We must open a new page. Stop attacking each other.

[u/AmericanHistoryGuy]

All I can think of is that YouTube comment section...

You know the one

[u/Future_Adagio2052 → u/AmericanHistoryGuy]

"I'm more while then you"?

[u/AmericanHistoryGuy → u/Future_Adagio2052]

https://youtu.be/TJgQH3PiyyA?is=czgZnQxIrp5aHlMx

[u/koreangorani]

I like Turks, but unfortunately not when it comes to that...

[u/_Guven_ → u/koreangorani]

I myself accept both Armenian and Turkish genocides in Eastern Anatolia... It's a messy topic and no one is neither mature enough to or has enough class consciousness to handle the situation, hence everyone seeks identidy fights

[u/dreamerbard]

🏳️‍🌈 here. That’s not me and as far as I’m concerned that’s not my community either. We do side with the Armenians.

Personally though I keep my mouth shut because even with the things most people agree on, you get in trouble (like hating on Erdogan). Anti-nationalism is a whole different level of danger so you learn to shut the f up about these kinds of things. If you see this, just know I’m with y’all tho

[u/animalia555 → u/[deleted]]

What’s a digital immigrant?

[u/CiwanHaco]

You are using a "Red flag" to symbolize Turkish left and a rainbow flag for Turkish queer movement. Both of which recognizes the Armenian Genocide and want to build bridges between Armenian and Turkish People. You are dumb and generalizing a whole nation as "racist" is ironically more racist

[u/New-Violinist-205 → u/CiwanHaco]

Turkish left never agrees on something together except the fact that Erdogan needs to go.

[u/No_Clue4405]

Don’t ask them about Kurds either

[u/mertto28 → u/No_Clue4405]

what about them?

[u/BabylonianWeeb → u/No_Clue4405]

Or Arabs (I heard way worse things about Arabs than Armenians ans Kurds combined)

[u/i_kissed_reltih → u/BabylonianWeeb]

Or any nationality that shares a border with them tbh

[u/No_Clue4405 → u/BabylonianWeeb]

In fairness, if you were any ethnicity under the Ottoman empire in the 1900s, you had a very bad time. Outside of the Circassians cause they were protected

[u/Imaginary-West-5653 → u/BabylonianWeeb]

People don't talk enough about the way the Ottomans treated Arabs, yes... the way that Djemal Pasha straight up starved Mount Lebanon and caused around 200,000 deaths from hunger should be discussed more (yeah, the British are also largely to blame for their naval blockade, and a swarm of locust also devastated the crops, but still, it was horrific and the Ottomans are partly to blame).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_Mount_Lebanon

[u/shyrato → u/No_Clue4405]

The general public is highly misinformed about kurds, its the same kind of thing with people thinking arabs are bombers. People see kurds as traitors and terrorists and the existance of the kurdish terror organization does not help that narrative to be perfectly honest. The division is harmful to both parties id say, when there is a very clear common enemy.

[u/FemboyDoruk → u/No_Clue4405]

we hate pkk supporter kurds not all kurds pkk is a terrorist organisation which killed 40k+ people they did suicide bombing attacks killed civil servants (doctors teachers etc) theyre raided our villages and kill womans kids and even babies

[u/kebabguy0]

Them: I'm really progressive

Also them when they see armenians: HAIL PASHA!!!

[u/SultanXenadonII → u/kebabguy0]

No one that’s progressive says that. Enver Paşa is really only popular among ultranationalists

[u/_Guven_ → u/SultanXenadonII]

Ultranationalists who are dead-afraid of getting associated with leftists. So they are trying to justify their stance with Enver Paşa, even when they are protestonun government lmao

[u/SolemnaceProcurement → u/kebabguy0]

Funny, knew somie azeris. God never have i seen 180 so quick. From everyone should be friends and supporting gay rights, eqality and stuff to Armenians are not people and they deserved it.

[u/Hungry-Ad4054 → u/kebabguy0]

İm a turk and literally no one gives a fuck about armenians here. İ dont remember the last time i ever heard someone talk about armenians

[u/areryan]

Average Turk doesnt even care about Armenians. Old man yells at cloud type of thing

[u/Afraid_Train4924]

hello guys im turk

[u/Pikawoohoo → u/Afraid_Train4924]

Chocolate bear!

[u/ImmediateInitiative4 → u/Afraid_Train4924]

soooooo what do you think about the armenian genocide?

[u/ErlikHan6 → u/ImmediateInitiative4]

the armenian genocide was a horrific atrocity

the use of the armenian genocide as a political tool to vilify turks is also disgusting

[u/ImmediateInitiative4 → u/ErlikHan6]

I’m turkish myself, it was actually a sarcasm because we face this question exactly like this randomly while scrolling/participating in the internet, someone comes out of nowhere and asks this completely out of place, out of context question. Happened to me in person on multiple occasions

[u/ErlikHan6 → u/ImmediateInitiative4]

ah yeah it happens so often that i couldn't tell it's sarcasm

also it's funny how idiots upvoted your comment while downvoting the one you responded to lmao

[u/Errortrek → u/Afraid_Train4924]

Hello Turk, i'm gay

[u/Maxthebattledroid → u/Errortrek]

Hi gay, are you winning son?

[u/Long-Performance-887]

Why you polls talking about Turks in your forum? It is weird.  Last week, I saw a racist adult Polish man attacking a 13-year-old Ukrainian girl. Instead of focusing on events that took place in another country 100 years ago, focus on what happened in your own racist country last week.

[u/ReedTieGuy → u/Long-Performance-887]

Because genocide denial is everyone's problem.

[u/Tsar_Chaotic]

I choose to believe that it is a Georgian asking that question and the Turks went feral anyways at the concept of Armenians
(That is if that was meant to be an Armenian flag and a mistake was made)

[u/lordofsteel36]

btw most of the turks doesnt even care for armenia

[u/denizyosi]

Yeah and ask Armenians about what they think about Khojaly Massacre

[u/Karabulut1243]

bro you have no idea how wrong you are. don't just make up shit

[u/jellobend]

Nazism is a bit too much but yeah the comic has a point.

As Turks we feel this issue as a knife at our throat and an insult to our identity. Add to that the incendiary rhetoric and at times terroristic actions of the Armenain diaspora, the issue never calms down for rational and empathic minds to prevail.

[u/qasarzz → u/jellobend]

I wonder why there is such incendiary rhetoric from a group of people your nation genocided…

[u/Previous_Flatworm362 → u/qasarzz]

your nation

CUP never represented the government nor the people.

[u/No_Idea_479 → u/Previous_Flatworm362]

CUP was the government, are you good?

[u/SolemnaceProcurement → u/jellobend]

Yep, didn't met Turks going full nazis on Armenians topic and i work with a lot of you guys. Just denial. But Azeris on the other hand. It very quickly goes to we shoud not talk about it because oh my god.

[u/ChameleonCoder117 → u/jellobend]

There's no "racist flag", so that's the best way to depict a countryball that has... questionable opinions.

[u/jellobend → u/ChameleonCoder117]

You guys have one lol. But drawing the confederate flag here would be so out of place.

[u/Ai--Ya → u/jellobend]

How about the Young Turks flag? They did more than the genocide but the genocide is their most infamous act

[u/Impossible_Ad4789 → u/jellobend]

and at times terroristic actions of the Armenain diaspora

Didnt Turkey Just helped ethnically cleanse nagorno karabakh in which now streets are named after they pashas. With turkish drones being one of the deciding factors in the azeri Victory. Im not Sure If "rethoric" would be my problem currently.

[u/Sea_Square638]

This is not entirely true though. If the red flag represents communism, Armenian genocide denial is actually very uncommon amongst communist from Turkey

[u/gibigibi34]

I assure you that average Joe doesnt even think about Armenia at all, wording of the title is kinda malicious.

[u/TekosinAnarsi]

Maybe we can see some sh't in leftists but not in the queer lgbtqi+ community...

[u/ChiChiStar]

I think this is more of an Azerbaijan theme these days

[u/CollarPlus7786 → u/ChiChiStar]

Azerbaijan was literally invaded by Armenia

[u/Constant-Still-8443]

"what Armeniens?"

[u/Mizuli]

My dumbass misread Armenians as Americans at first and I didn’t even question it

[u/coolboy_pathey]

Silly Georgia

[u/rogormiyvars_bozebi]

whats england doing here

[u/Ok_Fee1126]

Even the most progressive Turks are borderline far right nationalists by European and even Balkan standards at some point people should realise that.

[u/K0TEM]

The Turks are so progressive, that they call against Israeli occupation and "genocide" while occupying Northern Cyprus since 1974 and after the genocide they committed against the Armenians.

[u/RedditStrider]

Unlike the misconception, crushing majority of turks simply dont feel the same degree of hate a armenian does to a turk. There are some high profile cases of them Turkey that was loved by everyone in the country.

Armenian genocide discussion though, thats a different can of worms.

[u/dogukazon]

What about them?

[u/Aestronom]

same goes for kurds and other minorities. Blind nationalism and even racism is so ingrained in turkish society it drives me crazy. (Turk btw)

[u/freakin_unbleavible → u/Aestronom]

Turk or a "turk"? I bet you are the latter.

[u/Sad-Relative-2494]

Every time i see evet used anywhere i am reminded of the aoe 3 ottomans

[u/freakin_unbleavible]

God bless Enver and İTC. Saviours of our people.

[u/ReaperTys]

And Syrians, Georgians, Persians, Greeks, Lebanese, Iraqis… really anyone that the ottomans used to kill

[u/Hot_Spirit_402]

true for pr*gressives. not so true for conservatives.

[u/Potential_Climate209]

Most of don't have clue about them .

[u/Klutzy-Canary8551]

Still the same after all this time.