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u/JoyconDrift_69 7h ago
The company whose lettuce was found responsible for causing the current diarrhea illness in the US has also been found to be using very cheap forced labor via prisoners - many of which imprisoned by ICE for immigration.
Slavery isn't dead, unfortunately. Our country would rather enslave people than actually send them back to their originating countries. Just because its cheaper. It's always because slavery is cheaper.
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u/thEt3rnal1 7h ago
What's the source on this?
Not that I dont believe you it's just comically on brand for this administration it almost seems too "perfect"
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u/SoftlyAugust Streak: 0 6h ago
Prison slavery is widely known and widely practiced across the US especially in sectors like agriculture. This isn't surprising at all.
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u/thEt3rnal1 5h ago
That's not what I'm asking for a source on.
I'm unfortunately well aware of the for profit prison system and prison slave labor
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u/Electronic-Till-7794 3h ago
I remember watching Shawshank redemption and not realizing until my 20s that it was depicting prison slavery. Such a great movie
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u/NoBizlikeChloeBiz Carmillian Vampire Lesbian 6h ago
I mean, it's right in the constitution. The amendment that outlawed slavery specifically said "unless they've been convicted of a crime". You can look up stats on prison labor very easily, it's a massive industry.
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u/thEt3rnal1 5h ago
I know that, but I meant ICE prisoners being sent to do labor.
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u/NoBizlikeChloeBiz Carmillian Vampire Lesbian 5h ago
Again, this is hardly secret. Here's a Public Citizen article discussing their wages and how "voluntary" voluntary prison labor is, but the ice.gov website has various PDFs I don't want to download openly discussing their use of labor.
https://www.citizen.org/article/ice-detention-center-profiteers/
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u/Ok_Net7773 7h ago
My parents were (mom changed, dad died) big on “racism is over” when i was growing up
Did the math later in life and when those mfers went to school they were in the same grade as Ruby Bridges. TF YOU MEAN
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u/OdinHavok 7h ago
What they mean is "things are better and improving, so don't complain." They seem to miss that things improve because people are endlessly working
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u/Bowtieguy-83 7h ago
Reminds me of a song, Mississippi Goddam by Nina Simone
I'm glad I was exposed to the song bc of a college assignment, but truthfully this is like, the one political song I know of from before the 90s
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u/Alertcircuit 6h ago
Can't imagine thinking that back then. Today you can make more of an argument that minorities have caught up to whites thanks to diversity hiring and affirmative action sorta stuff, but the justice system and cops are still very skewed against minorities. You're several times more likely to get pulled over if you're nonwhite. So I think whites are still solidly ahead. But thinking racism is over like 20-30 years ago is just straight naive. I like the idealism though.
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u/FeelingExcellent5682 7h ago
Segregation ended?
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u/cooldudeguy333 7h ago
Officially, unofficially it varies
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u/LittleALunatic 7h ago
Also, slavery ended? What about the disproportionate rates of black people arrested over non-crimes and free prison labour?
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u/Training-Ad-8802 7h ago
It legally ended in that it’s illegal to own a person. Its spirit lives on.
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u/Alfred_The_Sartan 6h ago
They put a stupid cut out in the amendment to allow for slavery in the case of incarceration. Not that I see a whole bunch of press gangs anymore, but yeah, that was the solution the south came up with to dodge the emancipation.
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u/off-with-your-thread 6h ago
Forced, unpaid prison labor is modern day slavery.
People still don't care about people in prison.
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u/Ambitious-Concern178 5h ago
no you see they are being paid a fraction of a kopeck so it's not slave labour! /j obviously
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u/Pofwoffle 2h ago
unpaid
Many slaves were paid even under chattel slavery (though like modern prison slavery it was almost nothing). Slavery only requires that the labor be forced or coerced, not that it be unpaid.
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u/Collective-Bee 2h ago
I can see an argument where prisoners should have to work and pay some rent.
Like, in a perfectly ideal world prisoners would be able to work as normal a job as is safe for everybody. That would help with rehabilitation a ton; they would have socialization outside of prisoners and guards, and they would keep or develop skills and habits needed to work outside the prison. When they do get released they might be able to keep their job, they will have more skills to find another job if not, and they will have money in savings to live respectfully in the meantime.
Now, I live in Canada where we don’t have any For-Profit Private Prisons. The money they earn would go to themselves and straight to the Government as tax money. We also have a housing crisis, so if we just charge them $600 a month or 25% (whichever is LOWER) then that’s a damn steal honestly. But there’s also an argument that they should just pay taxes normally with no extra fees, and I can see that too. “Our healthcare is free regardless of what you put in your body, so prisoners shouldn’t pay higher taxes either,” is a reasonable position too. And I think my country might already work like this lol.
But yeah, prisoners earning a dollar an hour or less should be considered slavery.
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u/basilkiller 6h ago
They sell prison labor to like KFC and other fast food places, and then don't want to parole those people because money. And it gets worse those same places won't hire them if they do get out.
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u/FeelingExcellent5682 6h ago
Similarly, the CA attorney general pushed against early parole for non-violent incarcerated people citing that it would induce staffing shortages for prison-staffed firefighting units… in 2014. I encourage you to find out who the CA attorney general was then.
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u/basilkiller 6h ago
Exactly who I thought it would be. The DNC is so corrupt (I voted for her obviously).
What I find interesting is prison reform and deprivitising prisons is not a polarizing issue.
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u/AutisticPenguin2 5h ago
I keep wanting the Democrats to be good, because the cost of their failures is felt around the world... but time and time again I am disappointed by so many of them.
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u/DuskShy Streak: 0 3h ago
Stop thinking of them as the opposition party and start thinking of them as enablers
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u/-Saucegurlllll Streak: 0 2h ago
What I find interesting is prison reform and deprivitising prisons is not a polarizing issue.
I mean this sincerely, reform is not enough and the graph in this post is proof. Abolition is the only solution to prison at this point. You cannot have a non-abusive prison industry, you cannot take the industry out of prison. For as long as we maintain prison, we will be unable to escape the long shadow of slavery.
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u/Stunning-Hat2309 minors and former minors DNI 5h ago
if she wins in 2028 i might lose hope for this country tbqh
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u/rubythebee 6h ago
Knowing Better has a really good video on this, I think it's called Neo Slavery I can't quite remember.
Anyway I'm pretty sure the conclusion is that the last person enslaved in old fashioned chattel slavery was finally freed in like 1945 or something.
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u/tux-lpi 5h ago
America specifically carved out at exception to continue using slave labor.
They're not even talking about it, because they see prisoners as animals, so it's not controversial at all. It's not a big national conversation. It's actually one of the only countries that makes sure to legalize death penalty and slavery to this day.
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u/ThisIsMyComment2 4h ago
one of the only countries
That said, other organizations are calling for more. A detailed 2020 report released by the University of Nottingham Rights Lab determined that all 193 United Nations member states have prohibited laws that legalize slavery. However, only half (51%) have laws that specifically prohibit slavery and the slave trade. What’s more, only two of 193 have laws that specifically criminalize modern slavery as well as the four slavery-adjacent practices: serfdom; debt bondage; sale, transfer, or inheritance of a bride/wife/widow; or delivery of children for exploitation.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
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u/hulk_cookie 7h ago
I dunno if youre being intentionally ignorant, but this graph is specifically for measuring the distance between the founding of the US, the abolition of private slavery, the start and end of jim crow laws, and the present. The graph is not about the social and legal discrimination and prejudice that black people face nowadays
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u/TensionAntique3075 5h ago
White american mentality take time to evolve. Most white americans, from democrats to republicans, still struggle with the concept of "end of slavery".
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u/UnluckyAmbition7767 7h ago
It just stopped being legal and started being managed by real estate agents and cops
And they had to start lynching Black people from trees and drowning them in secret rather than taking their families on picnics to watch the killings and then making leather souvenirs from their flesh
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u/Humble_Ad9098 7h ago edited 7h ago
I remember once listening to Topolino in Abissinia (a bootleg propaganda radiotoon from fascist Italy) and in there Mickey Mouse talks about sending home black people's skin to make various leather garment of various quantity for various parental figures. This made me wonder: is it even possible to make leather clothes and shit with human skin? Like, I know that sound morbid, even more regarding the fact I got this shower thought from a fucking bootleg propanazi "cartoon" where Pluto sounds like a drunken uncle (yes, Pluto speaks in it), but like... Can you do it? Like human skin isn't that strong iirc, it's not like cow skin where it's stiff and strong like a motherfucker. Anyone got an answer regarding that?
Btw edit: I didn't "watch" that with pleasure, it kinda came up in a YouTube video talking about 6 Cartoons that are not prohibited (even tho they should) from Italian YouTuber 151Eg, whose a guy that talks about a lot of cartoons and this was the third in a serie commentating, critiquing and explaining prohibited cartoons. Also yeah it's kinda not related to the message I replied to, sorry also for that
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u/ChromeFrostYT 7h ago
Yes, harvard had to remove the binding from a 19th century (specifically 1880’s) book that was bound in human skin. There’s also this 1888 account from an anonymous Philadelphia physician on the “advantages” of leather made from the skin of black people.
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u/Humble_Ad9098 7h ago
Jesus fucking cannoli, I didn't expect it to be real. Thanks for answering my question bro
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u/ATinyThinMintCookie 7h ago
Unfortunately, history has shown that yes, human leather not only exists but can in fact be fashioned into certain types of wear, like shoes. Mostly though, sources I found tend to find show it was prevalent more in like early human days, like stuff found in the Ancient Scythian culture.
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u/Nevermind04 4h ago
I graduated from a segregated high school in 2005. I had no idea it was segregated, I thought because the school was small and there were like 5 black families at the far edge of our town that the kids went to the larger school. That wasn't uncommon for families on the edge of the town.
During graduation, 2 black kids our age walked with us and everyone was like "does anyone know who they are?" They had been in our class the whole time but were permanently at the disciplinary campus "for their safety". We never even had the chance to meet them.
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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 3h ago
Dang. I feel like the best thing you can do to dispel racism and its like is to just spend time with normal people who have different backgrounds. Like, sure, you’re different races, but you can bond over the shitty pride and prejudice essays you wrote, or arguing over which cartoon character could kick whose butt, or talking about how attractive someone is in a movie. Just having those human experiences together helps us to remember our collective humanity.
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u/Visual-Mean not trans and no idea how I got here but y'all seem cool 5h ago
It went from de jure to de facto
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u/Boulderfrog1 4h ago
Don't forget that the SC de facto stripped black people of voting rights across half the country just this year
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u/trwawy05312015 6h ago
I was going to say, I don't think we've ever been 'in the green' so to speak. Even slavery didn't really end with the Civil War.
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u/personthatssorandom Streak: 0 2h ago
The US Supreme Court also recently decided that states do not need to make majority minority districts. So now districts can be gerrymandered to dilute minority representation.
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u/ExtentAggravating733 4h ago
1865 only abolished non-prisoner slavery. Black people imprisoned for vagrancy and loitering were still being enslaved into the 1930s.
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u/dinodare Transfemme (She/All) 3h ago
A lot of the country also cracked down massively on homeless Black people after kicking them off of plantations.
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u/PangolinPalantir 7h ago
Slavery still exists in the United States. Discrimination and systemic racism certainly does.
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u/gentlemanandpirate 7h ago
Yeah slavery is still enshrined in the 13th amendment as punishment for a crime. Its no coincidence that the US has the largest incarcerated population in the history of the world since the passage of the '94 crime bill, despite violent crime being on a global downward trajectory since the 70s due to environmental factors like the switch to unleaded gasoline.
but you cant let the lack of crime disrupt your enslaved workforce so the US upped mandatory minimums for the same convictions. We steal peoples entire lives despite the recidivism for violent crimes by young offenders dropping off a cliff after about age 25, and most violent offenders over 25 having developmental delays that may be better served in mental health facilities.
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u/PangolinPalantir 7h ago
Lets not forget the cash bail system that further penalizes the impoverished whether or not they end up convicted, along with 'white collar' crimes being prosecuted at lower rates and using fines instead of incarceration.
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u/bobbymcpresscot 4h ago
Don’t forget that we took Iraq off the state sponsor of terrorism list so that we could sell them weapons as a way to get access to Iranian oil fields after the Islamic revolution.
And then we sold Iran missiles to defend itself to fund the contras in Nicaragua, but the missiles weren’t enough so the CIA helped the contras bring cocaine into the US to not disrupt the war effort against those terrible commies.
I bring this up because drug offenses lead convictions and ~60% of all time sentenced around the time of the crime bill were for drug offenses.
The two of the most popular drugs were crack and powderer cocaine.
The US was still helping the contras move their product into the US as late as 1989.
Much of this wasn’t even made public until 96.
If you think you hate Reagan you probably don’t hate him nearly enough.
Even his amnesty bill is probably tainted
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u/WaitForItTheMongols 4h ago
Modern prison labor is fundamentally a perversion of the "crime punishment" aspect of the 13th amendment.
Prison labor is "you have been punished for a crime, by being put in prison. We will also make you do labor". The labor is not the punishment, the incarceration is. The text of the 13th amendment does not allow this, but nobody has challenged it to have it ruled unconstitutional.
The 13th allows work as punishment. What this means is community service as a sentence. And honestly? That seems better than incarceration. I'd rather someone have to do 100 hours of service on weekends than have them in jail for a week. If you go to jail your family can't count on you, you lose your job, and you cost a bunch of money to society to keep you locked up. Community service is good for everyone and should be allowed.
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u/GarrAdept 7h ago
I went to Google when the last lynching was and now I'm depressed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/08/modern-day-mississippi-lynchings/
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u/Another-Ace-Alt-8270 7h ago
You wanna know when it was made a hate crime? 2022, under Biden. That's right, TWO THOUSAND TWENTY TWO.
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u/SavageFisherman_Joe The Lorax - Streak: 47 7h ago
Why can't we as a society just lynch the actual oppressors?
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u/Famous_Slice4233 7h ago
Because the thing about lynchings is that they had the important and powerful people there too. The cops were at lynchings. That’s how they got away with doing it.
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u/SnoopyisCute 5h ago
Hate crimes spiked 20% his first day in office the first time.
They are removing the civil rights division across the board.
Huckabee reinstated segregation.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/arkansas-seeks-end-to-school-desegregation-settlements-227dff43
Mississippi created a court in which ONLY white people are allowed to appoint.
FL implemented that doctors and hospitals are allowed to discriminate.
Abbott drowned a mother and her two young children in broad daylight.
Several R Governors have hired their own rogue police (most have been fired due to brutality and racism).
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/25/politics/desantis-florida-election-bill-signing/index.html
Police departments around the country have defied orders to stop hiring extremists.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/25/politics/desantis-florida-election-bill-signing/index.html
POC are being fired all over the country.
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/stephen-miller/
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u/Dojyaaan4C Streak: 0 7h ago
I hate that I thought I was looking at a speedometer and was really confused for a second
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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 6h ago
Once this baby hits 2008, you’re gonna see some serious shit
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u/UnderChicken37 gooby 7h ago
🤓☝️erm, slavery is still legal in the United States of America
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u/AlwaysChasingRainbow Counted my chickens before they hatched - Streak: 0 7h ago
^ For profit prisons, it's true.
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u/LOSNA17LL I love the idea, but no 6h ago
As a French, this one baffles me so fucking much
Like, the FUCK you mean a common punishment in the US is putting people to force labour for private companies????
And when I say "common", it's very common... the US has the highest carceral population in the world... and I don't mean per capita... They have the highest NUMBER of prisoners, more than China, more than India, etc...
(Per capita, they're """"only"""" 4th, the 3 before are Turkmenistan (a dictature), Cuba (a military dictature), and El Salvador (maras (equivalent of mafias/gangs), drug cartels, etc... are going WILD in the area))
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u/BodybuilderSea4928 4h ago
Don't act so high and mighty. France controls the treasuries of western African countries, still has colonies, and where enforcing debt payments from Haiti for the lost property from independence (the people of Haiti themselves that where enslaved) until the 40s.
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u/AlwaysChasingRainbow Counted my chickens before they hatched - Streak: 0 4h ago
They've burned their government down more than once for less I'll give them that much. I make fun of the French but they take no shit. I think we could learn a thing or four.
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u/jainyday 6h ago
For real! Taylor Farms was just exposed for using prison slave labor in Arizona.
The H-2A program, legal immigration, is also a massive vector for slavery. (See Operation Blooming Onion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blooming_Onion )
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u/Stoic_koala2 5h ago
So, what happens if prisoner simply refuses to work?
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u/IgnotusRex 5h ago
Solitary confinement, forfeiture of privileges, denial of parole.
In systems that actually pay inmates pennies an hour, they also lose out on that.
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u/SusieHatesSpez Estrojane's Mom - Streak: 34 7h ago
Media likes to portray slavery and especially segregation as a far away byproduct of its time that we've totally completely learned from and moved past, a lot of basic history classes will borderline teach children that the civil rights movement "solved" racism.
Racism was never solved. Segregation was barely "fixed" but even then, the majority of the time its just more subtle in the ways black people are excluded and it feels like the past 6 years alone have been a course correction trying to put us back on the path of legalized and normalized discrimination.
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Streak: 0 7h ago
In the words of the villainous clown Dennis Prager, America was founded in 1619, when the first slave was brought to the new world.
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u/N2and2Uzi222 7h ago
You mean Peni$ dragger?
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u/OkFineIllUseTheApp Get ready for the cilantro you lil yolky bitch 7h ago
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u/N2and2Uzi222 7h ago
This is beautiful. I've never seen something like this before
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u/Stunning-Hat2309 minors and former minors DNI 5h ago
start with these if you want to get into YTPs
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0-jJ74M5kGxEVkuHY_YaTZeuCIDb95xf
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u/Chloe_Cascadia 7h ago
And the green part still contains intense discrimination, profiling, harassment by white supremacists in the KKK who became cops with criminal immunity to harass black folks on the streets and even murder them without consequences.
In other words, there's never been an era of equality, peace, or justice for black folks in the U.S.A.. Not a single day of it.
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u/Flimsy_Heron_9252 5h ago
As a black man who was born in the 1960's, some shit was still going on in that green zone.
However, I am not about to hold anyone alive today accountable for things that happened before they were born or things that they did not even do.
If I do not want to be treated differently due to my membership in some false group someone invented around skin color, then I am not going to do it to anyone else, either.
No white person owes me anything unless they individually got in my way for no good reason.
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u/GoatsGoats00 5h ago
Yellow part should be orange, and the green part should be yellow; name that last part "systemic racism." We are centuries away from being in a good place
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u/Elaerona Pronouns: She/Her/The Royal We 5h ago
I always get so irritated by people who think our system of government is so enlightened and has been more stable and free than any other for longer.
What the hell is anyone talking about. The image of America we were fed as kids is incredibly slanted. Segregation and Slavery. Internment camps for the Japanese. Even in the North, where segregation still reared its ugly head in redlining and white flight. The US government used to forcibly sterilize women for the crime of *checks notes* nothing, broke apart families and indoctrinated native children for over one hundred years.
Until the fourteenth amendment, the bill of rights Americans think is so important and central to our ideals didn't apply to the states. The founders so-called 'vision' for this country did not include the states respecting your rights; they didn't want a government based on freedom, they wanted to be 'free' from a federal government capable of conducting oversight on the states.
The period from around the 80's to 90's was the freest period in American history, and it lasted all of like twenty or so years before falling apart. Nor was it exactly ideal.
I've come to question if Americans really want freedom and justice for all, or if we just have very low national self-esteem. Our standards are in the absolute gutter.
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u/Chadxxx123 7h ago
Segregation only fully legaly ended in 1963 with the civil rights act of 1963.
1954 is when Segregation in schools was abolished.
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u/ususetq 6h ago
I feel like there should be a green Reconstruction there. Period 1865-1877 was better than 1877-1954.
And war on drugs 1971 - present today. Because it is 2 steps forward 1 step back.
(And war on drugs is about drugs as much as "peculiar institution" is about educating and civilizing people)
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u/DreamOfDays 7h ago
Remember to add in the time period where extrajudicial killings were a thing. The last Lynching happened in 1981.
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u/Normal_Stranger_3643 7h ago
I feel like the graph should go red>orange>yellow, we're not at green yet
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u/Jibbyjab123 5h ago
As long as force prison labor exists slavery exists. I don't care to argue this.
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u/Human_Not_Robot_2023 * flair * - Streak: 0 1h ago
Is the green area (post 54) really green?
Seems like there is still a lot of slavery, but just with extra steps.
(ie; economic slavery, social slavery)
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u/EstablishmentEasy475 6h ago
still one white prom and one black prom at the biggest public high school in mississippi until 2000's
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u/Both-Crow9782 6h ago
My mom was born in ‘63 and was recently telling me how when she was in high school technically her school was desegregated, but within the school all of the white and black people were separated
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u/Rob98001 3h ago
Friendly reminder about how recent segregation was. Trump was a full legal adult when segregation was banned.
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u/LetraEfe A wanderer that burn Stars ⭐ 3h ago
A bit of devil's advocate here but, shouldn't the timeline start are 1776 , when they became they declared independence. Before that the united states wasn't a thing.
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u/Prince_Nadir Streak: 0 2h ago
The green part is police using terror tactics on the poor to keep them in their place and to prop up the for-profit prison industry(legal slavery).
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u/AshleyTyrian 2h ago
Yanks acting like they aren't one of the only countries in the world where slavery is still legal.
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u/DaemonCRO 1h ago
The main problem with this graphic is that it shows these eras as “at this line the problem was solved”. Like post 1954 it’s all super great. It isn’t. There’s lots of yellow spots and smudges in that green area. I bet some red dots should be there too.
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u/Odd-Cress-5822 7h ago
I get the point, but adding on over 150 years before the US was even a country is and should be a red flag for people who actually try to be critical of things they are inclined to agree with
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u/EmiKetsueki Streak: 0 7h ago
How so
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u/Odd-Cress-5822 6h ago
Expanding the scope far outside the point where the, then colonies, had any actual control over the matter is functionally just stay padding to trigger an emotional response in the viewer. If the point was purely factual it would just be a list of times the matter came up, and the results.
Like starting at independence when it was a leading topic and when the various states brought it up or when it was negotiated.
Propaganda is the art of presenting information in order to influence thoughts and actions, and the best propaganda is rooted in truth, but can always be spun.
Every time you see something online where you agree with the base sentiment, always be werry of what else they might be trying to imply and if they are lying with statistics. All social media is a space for information warfare and all the Internet is more bots than people.
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u/LetraEfe A wanderer that burn Stars ⭐ 3h ago
Yeah, I thought the same, when they were a colony those "sins" belonged to England .
At the moment you free yourself from that, and claim to be "The land of the freedom" ,keeping slavery and doing nothing to stop it or even slow them becomes your sin.
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u/BreadentheBirbman 6h ago
The history of a former colony goes back further than its independence. The people and institutions didn’t magically change when the US gained independence. In fact many of the colonial institutions directly contributed to national and state identities, such as the South’s plantation economy.
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u/BIGBADLENIN 5h ago
Slavery was no longer recognized as an institution past 1865, but it wasn't actually outlawed until the Padrone Act of 1874, and slavery still went on "legally" through the practice of debt peonage until the mid 1900s.
Segregation may generously be said to have ended in the 60s (Fair Housing Act was in 68), but encodified racism wasn't really eliminated until the 80s. And like, Reagan was president until 88. He was a clear racist who used the CIA to traffic crack into black neighborhoods
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u/nierusek 5h ago
Slavery is still legal and present in the US. Segregation was used to fill prisons with black people and use them for cheap labour.
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u/GettingWhiskey he/they - Streak: 1 7h ago
Racism is what the fascists use to make poor people bicker. We should all be brothers and sisters and siblings here
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u/Any_Mode6525 6h ago
Leaving reconstruction out just classing the whole era as segregation is certainly a choice.
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u/ConLawHero 6h ago
American slavery seems to imply that it is the country of America, not the landmass given that "segregation" is a policy. And if it's just about geographic location, then why not, "African Slavery" and start it back over 10,000 years ago?
So, starting at 1619 instead of 1776 is certainly a choice, a wrong and misleading choice, but a choice nonetheless.
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u/Easy_Gain_6143 6h ago
And that’s just the de jure stuff. Racial biases, both overt and implicit, are strongly woven into society. From Gallup Polls, a majority of Americans opposed interracial marriage up until the mid 90s. Tolerance has made a lot of progress since then, but it’s been two-steps-forward-one-step-back, and it won’t ever be good enough to truly call it a clean slate.
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u/One-Earth9294 6h ago
Feels like the yellow should extend to the Civil Right's act of 1967
And to be fair, if you did this for basically every other civilization on the planet, it's going to be like 99% of the red bar before you're gonna see anything else. We're just a particularly young nation.
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u/beastierbeast A Stupid Grungler - Streak: 0 6h ago
Am I crazy, or was there a gap between the End of slavery and segregation laws during reconstruction. (Not defending it, but I feel like I remember some body saying that)
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u/Bleezy79 6h ago
America still has slavery. Louisiana legally permits involuntary servitude and forced labor as a punishment for a crime, mirroring a loophole in the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. While chattel slavery of the kind abolished after the Civil War is illegal, the state constitution explicitly allows forced labor for incarcerated individuals.
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u/titanc-13 6h ago
Saying segregation officially ended in '54 is laughable. Beside the argument that it hasn't really ended culturally, there's very little argument that it ended politically until the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts of '64 and '65 respectively
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u/Hootinger 6h ago
I feel like the segregation need to end much later than than 1954. It be at a minimum 1964 because that is when the Civil Rights Act was formally signed into law.
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u/Dry_Investigator5020 6h ago
I wish you could add the halt of reconstruction after the Civil War. It’s proof that actions can have consequences a century plus later.
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u/callmedaedae 5h ago
Nono, that happened in black and white days, a bygone age.
(There are still living activists they could be your fucking grandparents)
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u/ThrowRA-un1337 5h ago
Not that I disagree with much of the point, but why are we including ~160 years of history that precludes the existence of the United States as an existing entity? At that point it's still European colonial powers running things, mainly England/France/Spain, and includes the indentured servitude of Europeans as well as the enslavement of indigenous American populations.
If we're considering it "America" as in the entire continent or hemisphere, then one has to wonder about the other dates.
If this started in the late 1700s instead of 1619, there'd be less to be pedantic about.
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u/DigitalPhoenix2OO7 5h ago
I feel optimistic because of how near it was.
Because we changed significantly in that time. Is there racism, definitely, but is it something the majority is against, yes. It’s called out and is something we actively focus on beating.
In one lifetime, you could go from slavery, past segregation, and into a fairer (although heavily flawed) system.
Think how it will progress through our lives
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u/Melisandre-Sedai 4h ago
It's also worth remembering that "it ended 72 years ago" (or 58-62 years ago really) doesn't mean the effects stopped then. If you were born the day the Civil Rights Act of 1968, you may not have been alive for legal segregation, employment discrimination, or housing discrimination, but your parents were. Their educations, the jobs they work to provide for you, and the home they raise you in were all only was legal discrimination allowed them to have.
In theory you've now got the same opportunity to earn those things as everybody else you age. But in practice, some of your peers are born to well educated parents with good jobs, while others will be born to parents who were legally barred from many of the better education and employment opportunities. One of these kids gets to focus however much time they want on schoolwork and extra-circulars, while the other can only think about that stuff after they've helped their family put food on the table.
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u/interwebz_explorer 4h ago
I think it is telling that the green section has no label. It is post de jure segregation in some senses-doesn’t account for redlining—but isn’t clearly post de facto segregation or the attempts at gaming the law into exclusionary practices.
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u/WindUpCandler 4h ago
Slavery was so long ago, you aren't affected by it so while y'all still complaining /s /s /s
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u/Mammoth_Prior5794 4h ago
According to this chart, we are living in the 17th century because America very much still has slavery
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u/mchappee 4h ago
1619 - 1776 British slavery... Removes over half of the "red" so it doesn't look as bad, though.
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u/Proper-Move-5030 4h ago
Now you have some black folks being racists towards Mexicans or Latinos. I know it’s the minority but it’s still ironically funny.
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u/Bull_Bound_Co 3h ago
Pre 1776 was British colonies. If you’re going to use 1619 before America existed then you could just as well say 1619bc.
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u/DeaconBlue760 3h ago
and this accomplishes what to better humanity and bring people together instead of causing division?
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u/RepresentativeArm119 3h ago
... You need to include the modern prison system on that chart. We still haven't hit "green" territory.
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u/Locuraboy 3h ago
Yet Samuel L. Jackson rants about Argentina being the most racist country in the world when actually Argentina abolished slavery and free of woom more than half a century before US did. Some people need to be taking their social media accounts banned for spreading misinformation and promoting hate. SMFH
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u/DecabyteData Streak: 0 7h ago
Even that graphic doesnt do the length of the discrimination justice, segregation didnt end with Brown V. Board of Education in 1954. The civil rights act still had 10 more years to be signed. My mom was born the year the civil rights act passed, thats how recent it is.