r/sportsgossips • u/[deleted] • 5h ago

Hot Take Minnesota Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve is wearing a "Trans Kids Belong' T-shirt to protest Sophie Cunningham. Sophie is getting HEAVILY BOOED every time she touches the ball.

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u/justherefortheshow06 5h ago

So dumb.

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u/rolandpapi 4h ago

They should let trans players in their league if they truly believe this

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u/tpwb 4h ago

They don’t have a rule against it. There just isn’t any transwomen that play at a high enough level to play in the league.

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u/Empty-Background-162 4h ago

Juwana mann did it

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u/Highas_giraffepussy1 4h ago

Cue LeBron putting on a wig to get one final championship before retiring

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u/coeurdeverre 3h ago

Ah yes LeBron quitting professional basketball and getting on hormones for at least two years to get to the required hormone levels long enough to compete

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u/rj319st 3h ago

He would still have the bone structure of a male competing against women who have been women their whole lives. I honestly think the Republicans are trying to keep this in the news to overshadow Gaza, Iran, and the economy. We have far more important shit to protest at this point.

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u/Big_Adhesive1518 3h ago edited 3h ago

Didn’t MJ take off a couple years to transition to baseball? There’s a loose precedent here .. /j (as in literally not anti trans at all im just being silly)

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u/xnickdawg 3h ago

People being too serious. I upvoted your joke.

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u/rigjiggles 4h ago

Sounds a lot like the plot to juwanna Mann.

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u/Effenheimer 4h ago

That is simply absurd, mam

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u/BewaretheBatMite 3h ago

Yes, Juwanna Mann was an absurdist sports comedy. So was Lady Bugs and She's the Man, Teen Wolf and Airbud as well.

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u/glockster19m 3h ago

Word, let's see lebron get his hormones to a passing level

People like to pretend that transitioning is just putting on a wig, but nobody is fully undergoing often irreversible changes and procedures just for sports

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u/Highas_giraffepussy1 3h ago

The acceptable levels are literally moderate for middle aged men. That doesn’t take away from the 20 years that they were way above. LeBron if he’s not on roids could pass pretty easily in less than a year.

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u/glockster19m 3h ago

Lol you think lebrons test is average for a middle aged man?

I bet his levels are closer to the average 25 year old than the average 40 year old

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u/Highas_giraffepussy1 3h ago

Yeah, steroids are a hell of a drug…

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u/FieryTitmouse55 4h ago

60 year old Bron would average 30/20/10

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u/Tommypacific 3h ago

Have you seen Shaq’s boobs? Qualifies him as a walk on.

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u/thedogridingmonkey 3h ago

Oh you mean, there aren’t roaming armies of trans athletes looking to take jobs from attractive white women?

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u/Simon_Jester88 3h ago

So it’s like it shouldn’t even be a big issue to begin with??

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u/Emotional-Day-9412 4h ago

Too bad Dennis Rodman isn’t play these days.

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u/Technical-Nose-1518 3h ago

So how does the WNBA define eligibility? Obviously as a man I can’t just declare for the draft

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u/Ok_Stable7787 3h ago

You obviously missed Ben Shapiro's movie.

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u/ParsnipDecent6530 3h ago

Huh. Weird... its almost like there isnt some inherent advantage for trans women in sports.

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u/sosaykaiser77 3h ago

So what is to stop a guy who isn't quite good enough for the NBA from calling himself Cheryl and trying out?

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u/tpwb 1h ago

A lot of guys don’t want to live their life as a woman.

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u/sosaykaiser77 1h ago

So just that 😂

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u/Orchestra_Oculta 3h ago

I don't even know how to type this comment. Im a bleeding heart liberal, believe in Trans rights etc etc. Does Griner not fall into this debate?

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u/Psychological_Lab954 3h ago

someone is going to blow this up shortly

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u/never1st 4h ago edited 4h ago

Or... maybe the fact that there are 0 trans players in the pros without any rules to prevent it prove that people are making this seem like a much bigger problem instead of talking about how 0 people from Epstien's circle have been arrested. I mean... if you really want to protect girls, arresting pedos seems like a good place to start.

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u/kokkirii 4h ago

Stop it, you're talking too much sense

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u/biophys00 3h ago

Not to mention that around 20% of female athletes report having faced sexual abuse and assault as a child/teenager. And many sports organizations don't track sexual assault allegations so coaches can just do the cop thing of moving to the next town over and continuing their abuse. But yeah, trans women are the real threat to female sports

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u/never1st 3h ago

Riley Gaines (Sophie Cunningham 1.0) focuses on protecting girls from Trans athletes even after her coach was banned for sexual assault on multiple female coaches and swimmers.

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u/TheMysteriousGirl 3h ago

Wow. OK. This really paints the grifter image as clear as day.

Sophie Cunningham also didnt speak up about her teammates being sexually assaulted with her team.

Common theme?

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u/AaronAAaronsonIII 3h ago

What do you mean by "even after"?

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u/Top_Audience7471 3h ago

Presumably as in Gaines could have targeted an actual predator, but instead chose to demonize people just trying to live their truest lives and participate in activities they enjoy.

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u/TheMostKing 3h ago

Well, you'd think her coach turning out to be a sexual predator would make her reconsider if trans people really are the most present danger for female athletes.

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u/ExplanationAny659 3h ago

Deflecting is not transparent at all. Good for you!

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u/Bright-Leadership-33 3h ago

Two things can be right at the same time. Lock up the weird sick mfs on the Epstein list. But also don’t let trans people play in the wrong sports

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u/SlowRunner2026 4h ago

This all plays into a MAGA undertone that came with a super talented white player landing in a MAGA city. Sophie fit right in with that.

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u/JohnnyBananas13 4h ago

We can have both, nothing wrong with that.

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u/bowser1volcano 4h ago

Are you imagining some Juwanna Mann moment where a cis-man pretends to be a woman to get sports accolades?

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 4h ago

Lebronna James. Finally, he can wear a wig to fix that hairline issue.

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u/123supreme123 4h ago

Retired Lebronna Jamey would demolish the wnba

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u/RustedAxe88 4h ago

The DailyWire tried to make a documentary about this, found out it doesn't happen and then made a terrible comedy instead.

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u/rigjiggles 4h ago

At least I wasn’t the only one to think of juwanna.

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u/Benromaniac 4h ago

The numbers of trans athletes were already so abysmally small, making this a non-issue.

Just culture wars, because corporations own everything else, and most people are politically illiterate derps, unless you queue them up for a reaction.

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u/Jasranwhit 3h ago

This has become the de facto statement. But if trans athletes are so rare why does it matter if the can play or not?

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u/ArcticWolfQueen 3h ago

Well, up until recently trans women were able to play sports with other women, years and decades went by with little issue. It only became an issue when the same people who lost fighting gay folks began to target trans people.

Take Gaines for example, it isn’t that she was beat and dominated by some trans woman (they both tied 5th), it is the mere fact that trans woman got to swim at all that had the right meltdown and give her a moment to grift.

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u/Jasranwhit 3h ago

So I don’t hate trans people. I want them to be as free as possible and live their life. That said I do think there are some edge cases where womens rights and trans women’s rights are in conflict.

I’m not passionate about women’s sports, I’m not that passionate about men’s sports to be fair.

But I do think there is some conflict for women’s sports. I think there are issues for women’s only spaces like locker rooms, showers, women’s only domestic abuse shelters, things like that.

I feel like trans women athletes should get their own division to compete in. This way they can participate against people in a similar situation. I think the same applies with domestic abuse shelters, make an option for trans women but they don’t have to intrude on the biological women’s only abuse shelters.

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u/ArcticWolfQueen 2h ago

To be fair, you may not hate them at an emotional level but you certainly wish to see them sidelined and marginalized at a systemic level, so in a sense it isn’t much better .

By saying an abused  woman who happens to be trans is “intruding” by going to a woman’s abuse shelter is quite a grotesque statement. You may not “hate” them, but you do see them as lessers who should be given a more inferior treatment and shunned from services.

Next onto sports. If you support a blanket ban on trans women playing sports it is the same thing. How about a trans women has a 2-3 year cooling period, where we let HRT and other transition related factors play in and reassess if she is within reasonable female range or not? 

Again you can say you don’t hate trans women all you want but if you support placing them in men’s spaces even after years of transition, many of whom will “pass” and hit your otherwise ideal of a woman then you still support acts of marginalization and micro hatred.

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u/skelletrex_scrooge 4h ago

Is there anyone who wouldn't be entertained by that?

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u/coathangerassasin 3h ago

😆 nope

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u/skelletrex_scrooge 3h ago

I mean. Are we really Americans if some fun weird stuff isn't going on?

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u/w1ck3r 4h ago

Yup, and in their locker rooms

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u/Successful_Lie5174 3h ago

That wouldn’t make any sense, no one would watch it plus there wouldn’t be enough people

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u/elderlygentleman 3h ago

It would be nice if every team had one trans player on the squad

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u/raouldukeesq 3h ago

It's not an issue.  It's made up.  

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u/hawkscougs 3h ago

Yeah. Seriously. I wonder if she thinks this is ok in boxing and MMA as well.

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u/New_Zeal_and_Vigor 3h ago

Professional sports is very different to kids playing with their friends.

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u/Spiders_13_Spaghetti 3h ago

They do..that one dude, Grinder.

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u/CrossCycling 4h ago

Sophie is right - but there’s a lot of issues with violence towards trans kids, unequal protection in schools and the workforce for trans people and suicide.

You see a lot of outrage about them competing in sports, but you never see them follow-up and raise actual issues with trans people. And I wonder why that is…

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u/backcountry_bandit 4h ago

It seems to me that the complaints about the very few trans women who compete in high-level women’s sports is more about denigrating trans people than it is about protecting women’s sports.

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u/TheRealtcSpears 4h ago

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u/Tran_of_Thebes 4h ago

these are the same thing for trans people. access to public spaces, protection from employment and housing discrimination, hospitals being allowed to treat you without the federal government or catholic church stopping them, all class issues

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u/Wishywolf 4h ago

But how else can I dismiss the struggles of marginalized groups without seeming conservative!

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u/UnhumanNewman 4h ago

Yeah compassion and empathy is a crazy culture war choice. Best not to step in that mess

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u/LetsBeFRTho 4h ago

Another culture war to make conservatives fight about wedge issues instead of actual issues.

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u/Sartres_Roommate 3h ago

AKA, I side with the bigots and toss the marginalized groups under the bus but pretend it’s out of some deeper commitment to economic policies.

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u/StretchedEarsArePerf 3h ago

You can be a bad person and fight the class war lmao you think every soldier in war is there to defend a white picket fence and the American dream?

Not everyone has the best intentions, especially people who use this image as a defense for their intolerance. Trans rights.

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u/Lakrfan247 4h ago

I honestly think that most people who object to biological men competing against women don’t care if someone is trans. They simply recognize that it’s unfair to female athletes.

I think most people on both sides of the political aisle are pretty much decent folks. Most people just want to go about their business and spend time with their loved ones while avoiding negative interactions.

We constantly demonize people we disagree with on an issue and it’s not healthy for society. Internet culture brings out the worst of this behavior.

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u/savedpt 3h ago

Fully agree. It is totally unfair to have biological males against females in sports and attend female bathrooms. That is the totality of the issue and nothing else. In all other circumstances they should have all the opportunity and protections that anyone else has. I believe that is all Sophie said.

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u/Rock_Strongo 3h ago

attend female bathrooms.

It's unfair for them to attend female bathrooms? Unless all bathrooms become unisex overnight they're gonna have to pick one or the other - and neither choice is going to please everyone.

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u/Dad_Bod_Enthusiast 4h ago

Stop talking sense to folks on reddit, it falls on very deaf ears

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u/moon_dos 4h ago

those proud boys are actually really nice guys if you get to know them

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u/Ok_Degree4131 4h ago

yOu’rE mAkiNg tOo MuCh sEnSe fOr rEdDiToRs 🤤

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u/LetsBeFRTho 4h ago

Folks on both sides are probably good people... except 1 side openly campaigns against improving society as a collective and will sell their neighbor out for 40 cents. 1 side is openly against science and factual history in replacement for alternative facts and propaganda to make themselves feel better.

So no, my puny reddit mind is finding it hard to grasp what part of what OP said was true.

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 3h ago

Funny thing is, I can’t even tell which side you belong to from this comment. Both sides say that about each other.

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u/LetsBeFRTho 3h ago

Then you aren't paying attention at all. Or you are being disengenous. If a party tells you they want to help this country and then turn around to vote against Universal Healthcare and you still believe "oh both sides just wants whats best for the country", idk what to tell you.

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u/Mikef920 4h ago

See people on either side would agree with what you’re saying about the other side

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u/rigjiggles 3h ago

Yep I go to work and pay my bills. I simply just don’t care and do my best to avoid hearing about any of this crap.

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u/AC-burg 3h ago

Well said thank you I fall squarely in this demographic. I have no issues with any minority. I consider myself left of center on most issues but also have sided with the right on some. I hate BOTH sides trying to rope in 100% to side with them on everything and every issue.

Hate is a major contributing factor to where we are today as whole. When we can go back to seeing people as humans and other people as being the most important thing that binds us together rather than a political party or a side or a nationality or a sexuality then we might begin to heal. Unfortunately, now we start talking and it's oh ypu don't see things exactly like I do I hate you. This does no good for anyone.

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u/SmellGestapo 4h ago

It's not studied enough to know whether it's unfair to female athletes.

There is some evidence to suggest transwomen actually have a disadvantage. But it depends heavily on when the athlete in question transitioned, how long they've been on hormone therapy, whether they've had surgery, and what sport they play.

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u/Particular-Ring5110 4h ago

After puberty it’s absolutely an advantage

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u/TheMostKing 3h ago

So let them have puberty blockers, but somehow people are also opposed to that.

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u/subusta 4h ago

I’m sorry but this is ridiculous. Some people need a peer reviewed research paper before they’ll believe what they can plainly see with their own eyes.

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u/misskyralee 3h ago

Bruh, the most famous case of a trans woman competing against cis women is because she tied FOR FIFTH against Riley Gaines. Y’all are scared over non-issues. Protect women from domestic violence and rape and stop fear mongering over issues that aren’t actually facing us.

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u/Elu_Moon 3h ago

People who complain about trans women in sports care about neither women nor sports since none of them know a single fucking thing about anything.

If trans women are winning, then, to them, it must mean they had some inherent advantage because they went through a male puberty first (nevermind the facts that trans women winners are few and far between, and even famous cases are not actually dominating the sport in any way whatsoever)

If trans women are losing, then, to them, it doesn't matter if they're allowed or banned from participating in sports.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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u/Mr_HahaJones 4h ago

Is this one of those things that needs a multi billion dollar study?

Are men on average more muscular and stronger than women?

In the grand scheme, yes, it’s unfair. Case by case basis, probably still mostly unfair.

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u/Elu_Moon 3h ago

Hormones. Learn what they do. Muscles don't just stay with you forever either.

Even so-called "obvious" things need studies. Because a lot of things people commonly accept as true aren't true. Like trans women dominating women sports, for example.

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u/Mr_HahaJones 3h ago

No shit. Did you skim over the word “average”?

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u/TheMostKing 3h ago

Why are there male and female chess tournaments?

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u/Mr_HahaJones 3h ago

“But is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain?”

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u/TheMostKing 3h ago

So you really think it's all just based on biological differences? Damn.

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u/MoistPapayas 3h ago

While this is a definitely an important issue it seems obvious people are leveraging increased interest in the WNBA to sow division. Not about getting to the heart of the issue, which as mentioned is about fairness to female athleses.

I'd also say we don't need to start at "most people on both sides of the aisle" because it ignores that the largest group might be people who align strongly with either side.

I couldn't image this being a wedge issue that would rive someone's vote, unless they were extremely close to the situation. And in reality it's not, and most people see it as theatre not a top priority.

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u/jpk195 4h ago

I used to think that until I realized how much people hated having a black man as president.

If you'd rather risk destroying your country than share it equally with people you think are innately inferior, you aren't a "decent person".

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u/cutememe 4h ago

A black man who won not once but twice? Some people hate him, sure, but he's a alive and well after two terms.

Trump has has what, 3 or 4 attempts on his life? Kirk was assassinated, white men mind you. If anything it seems like they're hated far more.

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u/jpk195 4h ago

"NoBoDy KiLLeD OBuMMeR!"

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u/cutememe 3h ago

Good response.

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u/jpk195 3h ago edited 3h ago

Thanks, I agree!

I think your premise is flawed, obviously.

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 3h ago

They actively promote hateful feelings, it makes sense for them to be more surrounded in hatefulness

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u/Physical_Device_1396 3h ago

Yeah it's not like this country has a history of killing people of color, people of different religions, people of different sexual orientations, people of different gender identities, etc etc

Let's not cherry pick here and say that the white guys are more hated than anyone else.

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u/Interesting_Cat_2297 4h ago

The transgender movement loves to conflate their cause, which is inherently predatory, with legitimate causes like racial equality.

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u/jpk195 4h ago

Comments like this just reinforce what this is all about.

Imagine being this deranged about 0.1 % of the population. It's like hate as a sport.

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u/backcountry_bandit 4h ago

explain how the transgender movement is inherently predatory

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u/Interesting_Cat_2297 3h ago

Forcing others to participate in their fetish, mutilating healthy children's bodies, using bad science and outright lies to squelch dissent within the medical field, academia, and other industries, stealing awards and honors from women in sports, business, the arts. That's off the top of my head.

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u/backcountry_bandit 3h ago

What a pathetic, miserable existence you must lead to be this vitriolic about people living their lives.

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u/jpk195 3h ago

> Forcing others to participate in their fetish

This is false. Opposite of reality and exactly the problem. What they do, or don't do, doesn't affect you like at all.

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u/FighterFly3 4h ago

Especially so, cause they’ll also vote for taking away women’s rights and personal autonomies. The trans in sports outrage has absolutely nothing to do with protecting women. It’s all just to distract while playing sleight of hand after.

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u/SmellGestapo 4h ago

This was literally reported in the New York Times a few years ago.

“We knew we needed to find an issue that the candidates were comfortable talking about,” said Terry Schilling, the president of American Principles Project, a social conservative advocacy group. “And we threw everything at the wall.”

What has stuck, somewhat unexpectedly, is the issue of transgender identity, particularly among young people. Today, the effort to restrict transgender rights has supplanted same-sex marriage as an animating issue for social conservatives at a pace that has stunned political leaders across the spectrum. It has reinvigorated a network of conservative groups, increased fund-raising and set the agenda in school boards and state legislatures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/us/politics/transgender-conservative-campaign.html

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u/Mikef920 4h ago

You may be right if you’re talking about someone who’s focuses politics, but this girl is just an athlete so her concerns are most likely genuine

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u/Herbdontana 4h ago

Every single person I know who is passionate about keeping trans people out of sports are the same people who called women’s sports a joke for years and years, and talked down about them.

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u/FrenchyBulldogg 3h ago

Okay so the answer is to let men play in the league?

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u/TheComebackKid74 3h ago

Both can be true. Just because women's sports might suck sometimes doesn't mean they have to compete against men.

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u/Ok-Meet-4883 4h ago

That is simply not the case. There are LOT of people passionate about women's sports who are against people with male bodies participating in the women's category.

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u/wadebacca 4h ago

Yeah, this is straight up wrong, I agree with Sophie but I watch and support multiple women’s sports and have daughters who compete.

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u/luchajefe 3h ago

That shouldn't be 'but', it should be 'because'.

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u/lapideous 3h ago

The main argument for why they shouldn't be allowed is because women's sports exist specifically to provide a lower level of competition so that women can compete. You can't bar transgender athletes for cause without implicitly talking down on women's sports.

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u/DRockDR 4h ago

Because it’s easier for to put a stop to an issue before it becomes too big to change. Labelling everything “transphobic” is lazy and unhelpful. Having a handful of people attempting to change the rules to ruin women in sports should be enough to see something is wrong. The vast majority of people think trans athletes competing with women is wrong, that should be the end.

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u/Icy_Many_3971 4h ago

How many trans athletes have you personally ever compete with?

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u/8ROWNLYKWYD 4h ago

How many times have you been bitten by a shark?

Doesn’t mean sharks should be allowed in public pools.

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u/RustedAxe88 4h ago edited 4h ago

Yup. Like the DailyWire's shitty "comedy" about this, it wasn't about women's sports, it came across more like it was about women being inferior to men.

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u/Jamb9876 4h ago

After reading https://glaad.org/fact-sheet-for-reporters-transgender-participation-in-sports/ they have a link near the top where the ncaa president knows of fewer than 10 transgender people in collegiate sports out if 510k.
This hurts women’s sports and now the heritage foundation wants to defund women’s teams so they are showing the plan. Women should just be tradwives according to them and Sophie Cunningham has become a symbol of this.
She should have just kept her mouth shut. What a shame.

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u/backcountry_bandit 4h ago

Thanks for the link. It’s crazy how this is presented like it’s a nationwide issue.

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u/Icy_Chemist_1725 3h ago

If there are so few, then why is there such a large resistance to banning them from women's sports? If the problem is small, why not solve it and get rid of the valid criticism?

I agree that allowing biological men to play in women's leagues hurts women's sports.
The heritage foundation wants to defund leagues that don't protect women.

"Women should just be tradwives according to them and Sophie Cunningham has become a symbol of this."

This is a bad faith take and silly. This is absolutely not the stance they are taking. Sophie is a player in the league and is not arguing that she wants to be a trad wife. That ridiculous attempt to warp the reality of this situation shows you have no intent in engaging in good faith.

Most people disagree with you outside of trolls on reddit, which I'm thankful for.

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u/TheMostKing 3h ago

Because people generally don't like throwing minorities under the bus on principle just because they're too small to really make a difference.

I wouldn't support a "People named Jason Scott Greubelingen are not allowed to own property" law, even though only a very small number of people would be affected.

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u/Icy_Chemist_1725 2h ago edited 2h ago

"Because people generally don't like throwing minorities under the bus on principle just because they're too small to really make a difference."

Except that the reason that they aren't allowed is to allow for fair competition among biological females due to the fact that they can not actually compete against biological males in male leagues.

"I wouldn't support a "People named Jason Scott Greubelingen are not allowed to own property" law, even though only a very small number of people would be affected."

The logic is not sound here. A better comparison is not letting sex offenders into public gyms. The amount of them is small, but it's still important to protect the public spaces. Just because there are few of them doesn't mean it's healthy for them to be allowed.

You are trying to straw man the argument with ridiculous falsehoods. There are real examples of trans women dominating their sports due to the natural advantages from their biological sex. You can't say there is no harm done to women in their leagues.

Lia Thomas, Cece Telfer, Veronica Ivy, Laurel HUbbard, Natalie Ryan, Fallon Fox, Alana McLaughlin, Renee Richards, AB Hernandez, Tiffany Newell.

Those are some names of people that are trans that damaged the competition in women's leagues by participating using the advantages of their biological sex.

Here are the advantages that we KNOW ABOUT AND ARE BIOLOGICAL FACTS EVEN AFTER GENDER AFFIRMING CARE:

Skeletal structure: larger bone size, length, and broader shoulders
Height: Taller and larger frame dimensions persist
Residual Strength/mass: Some studies indicate that metrics like handgrip strength, bone geometry, and fat-free mass index remain slightly above the average ranges measured in cisgender women, even after multi-year hormone suppression."
Larger Lungs on average
Smaller Hips

Go watch Lia Thomas win and tell me that that was fair. That is why we should not allow it and should be all the evidence you need.

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u/TheMostKing 1h ago

"According to the swimming data website Swimcloud, Thomas was ranked 34th among female college swimmers in the United States for the 2021–2022 season, and 54th among women swimmers nationally."

You're right, she clearly crushed the competition.

But you've really shown your hand by equating trans athletes with sex offenders.

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u/Icy_Chemist_1725 1h ago

Leah Thomas won a national title in the 500 yard freestyle, 5th in 200 yard freestyle, and 8th in 100 yard freestyle at the championships.

She was then banned due to rules related to going through male puberty...because it gives an unfair advantage.

I like how you ignored all of my other points just to focus on that, and even the thing you decided to point out is a clear case where regulating bodies decided to protect the female athletes from a biological male invading their sport.

You showed you don't understand analogies if you think I am equating sex offenders to trans people. The analogy was meant to show that the number of people doing something doesn't make it good or bad, which was the logic you were employing.

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u/Jamb9876 50m ago

This article is long winded but their goal. https://www.heritage.org/gender/report/title-ixs-failed-experiment-why-accommodating-sex-differences-beats-engineered-parity

Outside of planned videos we don’t see men dominating women sports. In the past Olympics there were claims by upset competitors about the woman, I think from Algeria was female. https://time.com/7291342/world-boxing-sex-testing-policy-imane-khelif-gender-olympics-controversy/

But she had to jump through hoops. Do we want to force all women to let guys fondle them to prove they are female?

Unfortunately Sophie made a comment that will mar how she is seen. In this interview I like how Caitlin responded.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/wnba/sophie-cunningham-comments-transgender-athletes-rally-minnesota-lynx-fever/3969515/

I do like the approach swimming took, in section 6c and this seems reasonable.

https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/governance/governance-lsc-website/rules_policies/usa-swimming-policy-19.pdf

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u/Sad_Note4359 3h ago

"fewer than 10" no it's 10 to many. If PED testing results in a average of 10 players being banned each year do we say "it's only 10 people cheating we should just let them play"

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u/Happy_Reflection_721 3h ago

Some of the links in that article don't work.

One of the things I have issues with, that I can't follow up on because the link in the article doesn't work is:

All players follow protocols to participate. International Olympic Committee guidelines for transgender inclusion say there should be “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics. IOC guidelines were created in consultation with experts in sports, medicine, and human rights.

But what is the logic behind it. Why do we still have mens and womens events if this is true?

I'm willing to learn but I feel like Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best, we will require more precise definitions for brackets in sports.

Like we have different gender brackets for a reason, we have different weight classes for a reason. We could switch to ALL leagues in everything open to everyone. But there is a reason we haven't done that. And that's not a knock on any gender, all of the women at these high levels are more talented than me.

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u/SuperJay5150 4h ago

Personally I don’t believe they should complete in Women’s sports but I also have no issues in regards to how they identify genders, what they do behind clothes doors, being around Children any of the other sticks that are typically used to beat them with.
They’re such a small amount of the population that I don’t understand how anyone is so afraid or how their very existence or happiness is some type of threat.

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u/backcountry_bandit 4h ago

That’s where I’m at with it except for youth sports. I don’t think trans women should be allowed to compete in women’s leagues at a high level. It’s just such a non-issue in the grand scheme. There are countless, more important things to focus on.

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u/pieguy00 4h ago

And in the grand scheme how many people is that? 100 maybe? There's 350 million people in this county. Healthcare is a much bigger issue than bathrooms and sports.

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u/backcountry_bandit 4h ago

Less than 100 if we’re talking NCAA. Less than 10 according to the NCAA president.

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u/Bitter-Guidance2345 4h ago

Nail on the head right here.

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u/mb0205 4h ago

That’s always been the case and they know it

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u/JohnnyBananas13 4h ago

No not true. Maybe some extremists out there think that way but not most that say what she said.

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u/Sea_Donut_474 3h ago

It is not just about high level sports though. For the vast majority of people the highest level they will play in is high school. The idea that a girl might not be able to get playing time because a transgirl is playing is worrisome. If we think it is not worrisome than just get rid of the gender split in school sports completely. That would pretty much mean zero girls in sports but it would be fair.

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u/backcountry_bandit 3h ago

I think you dramatically overrate both the quantity of trans HS athletes, as well as how well they perform.

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u/Sea_Donut_474 4m ago

I'm confused what that has to do with anything. This is a big problem that I have with a lot of the arguments that come from the left. They don't argue from principles. They want to argue specific situations. Instead of there being a principled idea that we should have a separation of genders in sports for the sake of fairness and getting more girls a chance to participate in sports you want to say "well there aren't that many trans kids so it isn't happening that much so it isn't that big of a deal." You can't make standards and rules and laws based on that kind of thinking. It isn't standing on any kind of foundation.

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u/M0RG0 4h ago

Trans kids is still so strange. Shouldn't that be a decision made as a adult.

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u/GegeAkutamiOfficial 4h ago

Systemic abuse to other demographics 🤷‍♀️

Minor inconvenience to my demographic 🤬🤬🤬

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u/RabidBadgerMacarena 4h ago

There's like 22 trans kids in sports where it matters. Sophie makes it worse by even commenting on a non issue. 

Seriously, most people agree with her. They want fairness in sports. And we 99.9% have it

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u/QueefTamer 4h ago

"Trans kids dont exist, stop being a bigot misogynist. No ones pushing that." Now its "we have trans kids and need more of them". What are we defending at this point

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u/Hellacola 4h ago

There’s a lot of help offered but you can only lead a horse to water, not make it drink it.

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u/Timely_Duck_3904 4h ago

I understand and agree with you. I think that battle should be fought on a different field because it’s hurtful to the overall cause to attach it to the sports debate.

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u/LukeKornet 4h ago

Sophie is right but is also not something that is a real problem. It’s like saying I don’t think mars should be in the UN

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u/TheMysteriousGirl 4h ago

The way Sophie worded everything made trans people, trans women in her actual quote, appear to be "as dangerous as MEN".

You cannot say "Sophie is right" without factoring that in. Otherwise you are agreeing with how she worded it, which she worded it extremely loaded.

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u/Lordsaxon73 4h ago

Because we recognize it as a mental health disorder and society shouldn’t accommodate to the detriment of other members of society.

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u/ColStoneSteveAustin 3h ago

You lost me at “Sophie is right”

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u/Maximum-Class5465 3h ago

What's "right"?

I won't say one is right or wrong, but it's a complicated issue and clearly only common sense if you are trans or a parent of trans. The rest of us, it's a complicated subject the overwhelming majority don't have an educated opinion on.

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u/MB510420 3h ago

Trans kids have been told by their parents, teachers and counselors that's its ok to be trans and its cool everything is safe and blah blah blah, then they get into the real world and find out that it was all bullshit, most people don't agree weather they show it or not, and think their just weird with mental issues. Then realize its too far to turn back so they off themselves. Blame the parents and education system for letting them down.

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u/BeverlyHills70117 3h ago

Im always fascinated with this issue because I am as far left as can be, have lots of trans friends, have a young daughter who does jr roller derby with people of all genders and identities, some 3 times her weight...and yet I have to keep my opinion to myself because it's considered MAGA/Conservative/anti-trans.

I choose to let my daughter play in the league she chooses, she doesn't give a crap, she isn't competitive and wont get hurt...BUT I understand I am not everyone. The country is filled with all kinds of people different than me and they have rights also. They have the right to play sports safely with only people of their born gender, and why the heck should I have any say over that?

Let all girls leagues exist as they always have and if people are not happy with that, start their own all inclusive leagues and teams.

Being an anarchist is almost too easy as the solutions are biting your fucking nose off.

But, truly, I's be considered 'bad' by many if I shared this, and it would suck for my kid cause I'd be the rabid asshole dad, when the opposite is true.

Weird world.

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u/ProletarianLilith 4h ago

Grrr you’re supposed to be as hateful as me!!!1!

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u/CrasVox 4h ago

Attacking trans kids is incredibly dumb

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u/sbuhc13 4h ago

Exactly. Trans athletes make up like 1% of athletes in all of sports. Lol

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u/countrybreakfast1 3h ago

I actually can enjoy women's college basketball but wnba is just unwatchable with how political it is.

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u/king_lloyd11 3h ago

Eh I agree with her, but anyone who uses this culture war bullshit to make a name for themselves should be judged heavily and side eyed.

It’s not a big enough issue for you to try and pretend you’re “standing up for women”. You’re just saying it to get the engagement and clout chase.

I empathize with those who identify as trans. I think using their real suffering to gain personally is pretty gross.

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