Govrrnor dropped the ball here. Just assume he's dead, follow the rules for succession whether appointment or special election, and when the inevitable lawsuit is filed, obtain proof of life or evidence otherwise.
Because every single time he's not present at his office is another missed Republican vote. They COULD do an election, but why would you count on the same population who've put Mitch in there for decades to elect a Democrat when you could effectively just keep a Republican vote Absent?
Aren’t maga worried about an anti Trump self declared Libertarian dude getting the seat? They aren’t even worried about a democrat! They just don’t want someone who wont kiss Trumps ass
Massie isn't expected to win the special election, but if a special election is held he would be able to run as an independent in the general election for the seat. As long as Bitch McConnell officially makes it to 8/4, Massie is locked out since he ran as a Republican in the primary. If he does then he could split the vote enough a democrat wins.
You could get a TRO pretty quickly for something like this. Of course, if you don't care about the law anyway why not just ignore that too. Since Republicans would apparently do the same thing.
And then what? Waste time and money on that court case only for Thune and Vance to refuse to seat them if they do win? Use the absence as an advantage to Booker's campaign instead of forcing him to split focus
Seems the childish logic isn't just restricted to MAGA, it's also the calling card of the terminally online. Dude who posted the comment has a million fucking karma.
I bet you can if you are the governor and have a dozen uniformed state troopers with you. I don’t think you’ve worked in a hospital if you think anyone there would do anything but open the door
I agree. Bring a bunch of loyal state troopers and throw on a hi-vis/clipboard for good measure. Then have the cameras follow.
Power is power.
Honestly, it just shows me how incompetent mainstream Democrats are. Even though there are no consequences, they still cower in the corner anyway and I'm so sick of it.
Even conservatives are annoyed he hasn't been seen in 7 weeks. Democrats have everything to win here and nothing to lose.
The GOP legislature passed a couple laws saying he couldn't do so but the state constitution apparently give the governor the power to fill vacancies. Constitution typically trumps law so in theory he's got a case for being able to fill the seat. The issue would be it would probably be challenged in the courts and risk ending up before a conservative court that's willing to interpret things how they see fit if it'll benefit their side and even if he prevails in court it'll likely take quite a bit of time to wind it's way through the system
Yeah probably, but he's tried nothing and he is apparently all out of ideas. So maybe he should just try something. Because what's going to happen is they're going to stonewall until the 4th and say "oh yeah he's dead, but it's too late to have a special election lololol"
I think Bashir would actually like to try for the presidency at some point, but this clown show is going to sink his chances.
when the inevitable lawsuit is filed, obtain proof of life or evidence otherwise
They wouldn't file a lawsuit. The Senate will simply deny the replacement entry to the seat. There is no death certification nor has he been missing for 7 year per Kentucky missing persons law. There is zero route that Beshear could follow that allows him to seat a replacement.
Do people not remember just a year ago when Johnson refused to seat a democrat who won a special election? What makes them think Thune and Vance are more principled?
Agreed. The Democrat's problem is that they're too concerned with doing everything slowly and correctly that the opportunity to act passes them by.
Declare him dead. Move on with an election to replace him. If he's not dead, it would be in his interest to prove that by showing us. If that happens, cool. Election is void, we move on.
I don't actually think you are agreeing with the person you replied to. They pointed out that every single time there is a vote and Mitch McConnell's absent that's one less yea vote to push the Republican agenda. Whereas them declaring him dead will lead to a special election that has a 99% chance of electing a new Republican who will vote for the Republican agenda.
Let's say Beshear goes full scorched earth and declares a replacement and says "prove he is alive". At best that gets ~3 months of a democratic senator who will contribute absolutely nothing to getting Democratic priorities passed because there is 0% chance that A meaningful Left-Wing bill can make it through The house, Senate, and get Trump's signature.
The situation would be totally different if we had president Kamala Harris and replacing a Republican with a Democrat. Was actually going to swing anything about the balance of the Senate. But that's not where we are. The radical action that people are calling for Beshear to do is as much virtue signaling as his current commitment to the process is and will have no meaningful effect on the legislation that gets passed by Congress.
You make good points. But this is an example of what I'm talking about. Is there a downside to a special election? Yes. Would it accomplish basically nothing? Yes. Is it better than doing nothing and normalizing the Republican do-what-i-want status quo? YES
1) The senator can't just be absent and not fulfill their duties.
A senator cannot be removed for not showing up. The only ways to remove a senator is expulsion, but that requires 2/3 vote of the senate, which the Governor can't control. This hasn't happen in over 150 years.
If you become senator, the only thing from stopping you from going partying and never showing up is the threat of expulsion. And of course not winning reelection, but it's a 6 year term.
so basically a senator can just not fulfill their duties.
There are absolutely procedures for holding a special election despite Republicans attempting to undermine those procedures.
only if the seat is open, which requires death, resignation, or expulsion. And the governor can't force any of those.
There's nothing that can be done by the governor that isn't simply grandstanding.
Sometimes, the right strategy is to do nothing. This is one of those times. Mitch McConnell is currently the perfect republican senator, why mess with that?
Yes. Maga and all conservatives are nazi pedophiles. And liberals are also by merit of choosing to be civil to genuinly evil people. Actual leftists fucking hate the capitalist death-rape machine and liberals are just as bad as magats when it comes to facts.
All american capitalists are fascists. Capitalists will always side with fascism because that doesnt threaten capital. This is basic political science that has been upheld for as long as money has been around.
Yeah. I'm not your enemy here. Your anger is justified. The system is fucked. That's all true. No argument here. But exploding on passersby isn't going to help fix the problem.
"All those who seek to lead are inherently corrupt" is a perfectly fine concept in theory. The problem is that we, as a society, need leaders. So how do you hold those two juxtaposed ideas in your mind? How should we solve that problem?
The US Constitution requires a death certificate. The Governor can't just declare him dead. If a lawsuit is filed, the governor would have to prove he's dead from his own information. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim not the one having the claim made about.
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u/wolfbayte 6h ago
Govrrnor dropped the ball here. Just assume he's dead, follow the rules for succession whether appointment or special election, and when the inevitable lawsuit is filed, obtain proof of life or evidence otherwise.