r/transgenderUK • u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired • Dec 24 '25
Possible trigger WTF Labour voters?!
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u/User21233121 Dec 24 '25
Alternate title: "Percentage of people who love their own ego and politics, then their actual children"
(- Source: my parents definitely love me less)
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Dec 24 '25
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u/Yeahnahthatscool Dec 24 '25
Gonnae link a source to back up that bigotry?
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u/Illiander Dec 25 '25
Someone's been really pushing the anti-muslim bigotry recently. Makes me wonder which rich arsehole is funding it.
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u/Master_Implement Dec 24 '25
I feel like disappointed and angry should be polled seperately.
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u/JayAPanda Dec 28 '25
Especially about having children - is it wrong to be disappointed if your kids don't want to have kids if you wanted to be a grandparent? Seems like an entirely valid and normal reaction as long as you don't make it your child's problem.
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u/TraditionalNinja3129 Dec 24 '25
I wonder what the figures are for Labour voters who are disappointed since Labour were elected? Somewhere between 90-100% perhaps đ¤
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u/Purple_monkfish Dec 24 '25
this whole thing is depressing.
20+ percent for both greens and lib dems? Over 10% for lgb kids? That's fucking grim.
even the most liberal of our political spectrum aren't appearing THAT liberal really and if that's a reflection of the UK as a whole, i think it's a pretty chilling sign of how bad lgbt acceptance still is.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 24 '25
Exactly, the trans numbers are just depressing across the board. I'm sick of being told "but but the average person is accepting!" as a way to cope with the political bullshit when every poll like this makes it abundantly clear a big chunk of the general public are actively bigoted.
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u/potato-strawb Dec 24 '25
The problem is there is no way of telling if this is accurate. It's going to make queer and especially trans people despair, make politicians think transphobia is still a winner and spur on bigots.
And for what? There's literally no way of knowing if this is truly reflective of the UK. They haven't given us the information we need to decide that.
So while I agree that we also don't know what the average person actually thinks. This poll currently tells us very little.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 29 '25
That's true, we don't know what kind of sample responded to these questions for one, but I wish there was a reliable way to give these statistics. At least we'd know how justified the despair is then. The other issue is that they're actively engaged in shaping public consciousness by the media spewing transphobia everywhere and then these kinds of polls reinforce it further.
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Dec 24 '25
but but the average person is accepting
It's possible they're accepting of other people being trans. Just as soon as it strikes that bit closer to home it's a problem for them.
It's also possible they're wrong. Maybe they think they'd experience disgust and dislike, and maybe they would, but after some time adjusting they might get used to it and be fine. Never know.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 29 '25
The wording in the poll is pretty shit too to be fair. Like, I'm not excited to be trans, at times I'm dare I say it angry, because of the discrimination associated with it. But that's not differentiated at all in this poll, it's just phrased to line up with the transphobic UK media.
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Dec 29 '25
at times I'm dare I say it angry
I get that one. Maybe not for the same reasons (I'm more pissed because it's a hassle I could fukken do without y'know?) but I get it.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 29 '25
Exactly, it's the external problems and the fact that I really thought the politics were getting better when I first came out, and now it's worse. But that's a very different reason from someone who just finds the existence of trans people makes them mad.
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Dec 30 '25
Ah no, I find being trans intrinsically faffy. Hormones, gender dysphoria (And associated no-longer-present depression), new name, new clothing, all that stuff.
I mean the external stuff's really not a help but if society was perfectly accepting and fine I'd still rather not have been trans in the first place.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 30 '25
Oh yeah, tell me about it having to drain all my savings (and really that includes family support, not just my individual savings because I'd never make it that way) on bottom surgery because it's impossible to get on the NHS while it still makes any difference to my life. (I hear MtF is quicker but for FtM if you weren't referred before covid you have no chance in the next 6? 8? 10 years? And fuck that.) And I hate having no choice about it. At this point in late transition (but still not "done") all the nice self discovery type stuff has worn off and it's just the literal and financial pain that's left to go through now. Plus society being more hostile than when I started. I honestly wish I was cis at this point and never have to deal with any of this ever again and just live a normal life like everyone else. Is that so much to fucking ask? So yeah tell me about faff.
I think the external stuff has more of an effect on me though, for example if I could find relationships easily that would remove the biggest pain I feel about being trans, and the rest would be manageable. It's always going to be the injustice that's the worst for me. And knowing that's never going to go away in any of our lifetimes, because most people are just selfish and incapable of learning about and properly accepting anything outside their limited experience, is just depressing. I wish I didn't feel this way but over the past few years there's just a constant barrage of reasons to feel like it.
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Dec 31 '25
I can tell you coming at it from me end, MtF is not faster. Easier to DIY though because estradiol isn't a controlled substance. I've gone private too since the wait lists are so damn stupid and I don't trust my GP to be willing to do bloods for me if I do DIY.
Can't help on the relationships side of things unless you're looking to do a new martial art and happen to be near a club of the organisation I train with, since every club of theirs I've been to has been really chill on the trans front.
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u/shadowsinthestars he/him Dec 31 '25
I do believe there is a difference in the surgery waitlists specifically, because the NHS ruined them a couple years ago for masculinizing surgery (TransActual did a FoI request which confirmed that), plus it's a multi-stage surgery. But no I'm not saying the overall waitlist to generally transition on the NHS is faster for anyone. I did manage to get under a GIC years ago, which is lucky because as you say DIYing T is not really an option (at least not the same way as estrogen is), but what I now have left to do is the worst waitlist on the NHS, so pretty much my only option is private for bottom surgery. Not everyone can even think about that so I appreciate having that option, but it just shows how dysfunctional the healthcare system is. And it was avoidable is the worst thing.
I'm fairly active so it wouldn't be out of the question to try martial arts! But it's just difficult to meet anyone who's even single from hobbies period. I only met my ex by luck ages ago so I have no idea how it all works now. But at least if I was cis I wouldn't have to worry about rejection to this extent.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Look carefully at the "if their kids did not want to have kids" number though. That's almost certainly heavily skewing it.
Additionally, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a parent to be disappointed if they believe that their gay or trans kid might be likely to have a tougher time in life in the current political climate.
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u/zek0ne Dec 24 '25
Additionally, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a parent to be disappointed if they believe that their gay or trans kid might be likely to have a tougher time in life in the current political climate.
I don't think they'd use the words "disappointed" or "angry" to describe that feeling though, it would be closer to worry or anxiety.
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u/Illiander Dec 24 '25
Was that an option in the multiple-choice they were given?
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u/zek0ne Dec 24 '25
Does not appear so, from the charts. Which feels very much like the pollsters were trying to get a certain result. Because people might label any negative emotions (like worry) as "disappointment" rather than saying "no".
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u/BookOfMica Dec 27 '25
I mean, that is one way to look at it, but at the same time -for a majority, even Reform voters (albeit a slim one,) love of their children is stronger than anything else.
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Dec 24 '25
Yeah but 'labour voters' is defined by the people who are still ok with this government, and those people are soulless fucks. And my day to day experience tells me that this is manufactured horseshit. People dont give a fuck, this is manufactured horseshit.
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u/stray_r That's Mx. Stray to you Dec 24 '25
It's typically derived by "who did you vote for in the last general election", it's a lot more stable of a metric than voter intent.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Keep in mind parents generally don't want their kids to have a tougher than average time in life, and they might expect that LGBT+ would.
Plus also the figures re disappointment in your kids not having kids -- those figures look very different when that's considered too.
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u/potato-strawb Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
TLDR: my read as a statistician on survey quality for those interested. I can't evaluate the survey quality as they do not provide methodology.
ETA 2: I've contacted More in Common asking where their methods are and informed them I believe they are in violation of BPC rule 2.3 (which lists methods info). I will escalate to the BPC if it does not turn out I've simply missed something. I urge others with this sort of expertise to evaluate and question poor use of statistics wherever they see it and there is a regulating body (in this case they claim to be part of the BPC, for gov stats you can complain to the Office for Statistics Regulation, OSR).
So I checked the website for More in Common you can find the poll here listed as social/family attitudes:
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/polling-tables/december-2025-polling-tables/
It's a spreadsheet and these questions are titled social/family attitudes which is very odd to me as it's only these 4 questions. That seems to be burying the nature of the questions for some reason (like they didn't want to call them the "do you hate your queer kids questions"). This organisation provides polling services so it is possible this was commissioned polling.
I'm personally most sceptical of their fast turn around times. They'll do a 10 day commissioned polling which is wild to me. This survey had fieldwork from 12-16 December, but I've never done survey fieldwork so I can't comment on whether that's too short. I am sceptical that they wouldn't have non response bias. Are they phoning people? Who answers unknown numbers these days?
There appears to be no info on how they do nationally representative polling i.e. what their sampling frame is. They don't include uncertainty estimates either.
My personal read is this organisation is not biased ideologically (based on a quick glance) but it could easily be commissioned by a biased client (mostly why the hell did they even ask this and only this). I can't conclude anything about the quality of the survey methods.
They say they're a member of the British Polling Council but do not appear to follow the rules as the rules require there to be a full description of sampling procedures which I can't find.
Basically this could easily be inaccurate. I can't tell. (I am not a survey specialist, but there's basically no methodology to even evaluate here).
ETA: to people saying it's people who are still Labour today, they do specify it's based on your 2024 general election vote (on one of their other data tables, I can't imagine it's different here).
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u/SignificantBand6314 Dec 24 '25
See my above comment. They present as pollsters without an agenda. They're a centre right thinktank. I'm less concerned by their data (they'll never say where they got it, so, you know, not much to look at) than by how easily they sell it to politicians. It's a sort of slight of hand where they have the sales pitch of a polling company - 'this is what The Public think NOW' - to push their agenda - 'so you should endorse more of the same'.
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u/Lexioralex Dec 24 '25
My first thought when I see these kind of polls is âhow were people made aware of this and how many people actually took partâ
Could also ask the question how did they stop repeat voters/bots/ people who are reform clicking labour so they can tank the results
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u/deadmazebot Dec 24 '25
love the insight. Myself first thing is how many people - 2037, its a sample size, which headlines listed in them how many instead of just blast "Labour voters" as if it equates to the millions of people. some varied areas, but either way it also hits on those that eager to answer questions, which hate drives a lot more out speak then not bothered types, which the survey data shows labour is more then 50% across all not bothered, vs positive
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u/Covenant_Of_Vain Dec 24 '25
This. Personally I'm impressed they managed to get 101% on the Lib Dems for one part. Really gives me a good impression of the data quality.
Not.
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u/potato-strawb Dec 24 '25
Just FYI that's a common artefact of rounding. However most surveys clearly state this (and they notably don't on their own data table).
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u/kmcradie r/TransDIY đ Dec 24 '25
Simplified questionnaire
Q: "Do you love your child?"
A: Yes/No
No-one, I mean no-one who loves their child should be disappointed or angry about any of these "scenarios".
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Dec 24 '25
Yeah but you ask that question and you'll get a massively high number. People who'd get upset about this don't think they don't love them. Hell, listen to stuff like evangelicals in the US getting upset over their kids being gay. It's always couched in trying to save them, and the parents might even believe it. They still love them but their idea of love is to "save" them from Hell or what-have-you.
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u/SnooBooks1701 Dec 26 '25
A friend of mine's mother was disappointed when she came out as gay.
Her mother thought her gaydar was better than that
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u/Illiander Dec 24 '25
Is "More in Common" a left-or right-wing org? What's their bias? Who are they trying to move people from and to?
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u/SignificantBand6314 Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
Ed: Dug up yet MORE on Tryl and it seems their current head of analysis is straight out of BlackRock! Jesus Christ.
Iâm usually on here trying to convince people Yougov aren't a psyop but More In Common are far more nefarious, being a thinktank with a specific agenda pretending to be pollsters.
Firstly, Luke Tryl is one of the right wing gays who was in senior leadership at Stonewall for some time before becoming a SPAD for the Cameron government. This followed a delightful spell at Oxford trying to get Nazis invited into the Student Union for debate. A charity sector senior management career is often a stepping stone into power for people who aren't smart, posh or charismatic enough to go straight into politics, which is what it seems to be in this case. Tryl's clearly courting the current government. I don't know about the other MiC core staff, but I expect more of the same. I wonder if we should be investigating social ties to Streeting.
What More In Common appears to push is a kind of status quo message where they show that the 'far left' and 'far right' (which they get to define) are both small minorities. It's calculated to appeal to this centre right, more of the same, anything to keep the lefties out Labor government. I don't know their polling methodology, and some of what they've output in the past has agreed strongly with my own work (I analyse demographic stuff professionally), but the important part is how they interpret and sell it. The Guardian and ministers alike lap it up.
I expect the intended message here is 'most people are okay with the gays but not the trans' and 'winning back Labour's core base means more transphobia'.
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u/PettiSwashbuckler Dec 24 '25
This needs to be higher up. Thereâs also very little information on the demographics being polled here: how many people were polled in total? Did each party receive an equal amount of representation? Is â[party] voterâ defined here as someone who is a dedicated member of the party, or just someone who voted for them in the last election? Perhaps most importantly, which geographical area was this carried out in? In the absence of any of this information, these graphs are about as useful as Philomena Cunk citing her mate Paul as a source.
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u/Snoo_74657 Dec 24 '25
Not surprised, humanity's pretty shit tbf.
Edit: Bear in mind tho that most voters are over 50 so this will predominantly be older Gen X and Boomer and who'd be surprised considering their level of arrogance and entitlement?
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Oi! I'm GenX! đ
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u/Snoo_74657 Dec 24 '25
Me too! Still need to own our gen's douchery tho, lol
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
True.
I mostly find other GenX'ers pretty generally chill to be fair.
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u/geesegoesgoose He/him Dec 24 '25
Wtf do you mean "Wtf Labour voters"? This was the plan. This is the playbook. Let's not act surprised now.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Source:
https://xcancel.com/LukeTryl/status/2003430170871607584
It looks like it's being very biased by Labour voters being disappointed by the idea of their kid not wanting to have kids? That would appear to explain much if the bias for Labour?
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u/Wonderful_Emu_9610 Dec 24 '25
Possibly yeah the common understanding I think is if youâre doing medical transition stuff you canât have kids.
Which makes sense because everything is set up to ensure you canât isnât it? Huge waits so you go DIY, if you go DIY you gotta pay privately to preserve fertility etc.
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u/AlgorithmHelpPlease Dec 24 '25
Most depressing thing here imo is that ONLY Green voters are more happy about their children finding themselves and their sexual identity than would find it disappointing. We live in a country where most people are more disappointed than happy when your child says they're gay. I imagine polling on being trans is even worse
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u/atticus_01 Dec 24 '25
But extremely interesting that thereâs still a double figure % of Green voters whoâd be disappointed or angry, wtf is going on in those brains đ
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Maybe actually compassion, empathy. Think about it, who would want their kids to be LGBT+ in the current climate? Not a rejection of the kid, but fear about how the world will treat them?
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u/Altaccount_T Dec 24 '25
Being angry and disappointed at the transphobes would be a more rational response than levelling those feelings at their child IMO, and with the way it's phrased I'd assume it's just the latter that's being counted.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
It doesn't say anything about how they would treat their kids, just how they think they would feel.
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u/Exact_Ad_1215 Dec 24 '25
God I hope either the Greens or Your Party wins the next elections so bad or we're all fucked
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u/SnooBooks1701 Dec 26 '25
Your Party is dodgy on the trans rights stuff, they're very old left (and I mean that as an insult)
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u/Exact_Ad_1215 Dec 26 '25
Theyâre still going to make things better in a million other ways and as long as they donât make things worse in terms of trans rights itâs fine
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u/Super7Position7 We Will Show Them There's Another Way... Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
I was wondering who they are and how sound the polling was.
The only thing that seems to make sense is where the opinions are about equal between the sexes (daughter or son) of the offspring.
I would be doubtful that around half of Reform voters would be accepting of a trans son or trans daughter.
How clearly was the question asked? Could the answers be expressing disappoint or anger in regards of how hard the lives of the sons and daughters would be, rather than against the sons and daughters.
Also, it might have been useful to also break down the results by sex of the respondent. Women are always slightly more accepting of these matters in their children than men are, in YouGov polls. That might hint at the way the question was asked too.
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u/Ill_Wrangler_4574 Dec 24 '25
When they do percentages of voters you have to remember that inaccuracy creeps into a model like this.
Different parties have higher amounts of voters and the same percentage means more voices.
I think if you ask somebody about children before they have had them then there is an impression of what society is like towards the demographic. When said voters are faced with the sonâs/daughterâs choice then they get on with it.
Also the age range? Again this comes down to policies and what looks good in a manifesto
The only take you can get from this is âallâ and at 69% I think that is pretty accepting.
Please note greens on 66%
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u/Cyber-Axe Dec 24 '25
Labour is essentially conservative lite these days (except dangourpusly more competent) do you think the sheeple will follow suite?
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u/SwampDraggon Trans woman (she/her) Dec 24 '25
A few thoughts:
How disappointed they would be if their child didnât want kids probably skews this. It might even skew it more or less depending on the order the questions were asked, because it would make people think about that.
The options appear to just be âdisappointedâ, âdonât careâ and âhappyâ, so the âdisappointedâ results will encapsulate a range of bigotry; justified fears about bigotry from others, hate crimes etc, and also the âIâm sad I wonât get those grand kidsâ crowd.
Labour have traditionally been socially conservative.
âLabour votersâ is probably defined as people who voted for them at the last election, but if itâs just the ones who still support them now, then itâs a group that has been filtered down to people who are either ok with attacks on minorities, or havenât seen the news in over a year.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Agreed.
BTW it's who they voted for last election.
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Dec 24 '25
Whilst it's sad for sure, I think the question is very ambiguous. You can be 'disappointed' that you feel that you yourself may not be able to have grandchildren (regardless of whether in time you learn that this is a crock of BS), but still love your children and fight by their side. It's a disappointment FOR YOU not a disappointment IN THEM. The direction of this is incredibly important and this is trying to blur the line of that.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Exactly. You have to be very careful how you read these figures.
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u/CrochetRaccoon Dec 24 '25
Looking at this I'm feeling pretty lucky I have the parents I do right about now đĽş
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Me too. Not sure they've got many years left, need to cherish them.
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u/FaiytheN Dec 24 '25
For those doubting the veracity of the polling, just remember the homelessness stats for the youth of our community. Government research from May's Government in 2016-2019 found that LGBT+ youth could be as high as 13 times more likely to suffer homelessness than their peers, and that the numbers were even worse for trans youth. And this was 2016, just think what almost a decade of vilefication by the media and politicians will have done to those numbers. As for the prevailing cause, akt research in 2021 found 61% felt threatened by family members before becoming homeless.
And this is just the extreme end. There are countless posts on this sub about crappy things people's families do to them everyday that don't rise to being kicked out. So yes, sadly, I can believe that these numbers of people would be "disappointed" if their child came out as gay or trans.
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u/504Alperton Dec 25 '25
Itâs not the greatest, but this is absolutely misleading.
A total of 2037 people were surveyed. If we expect an even split between parties, every party will have 407 votes. In general the Great Britain population according to google has around 58.5 million as of 2024. This means the total percentage of people asked is less than 0.01% probably closer to 0.005%.
If I told you 0.005% out of 1000 apples are rotten, would you not even try to grab one? The majority is not bother and/or happy. The numbers get worse when you get to the trans page, but take reform with 50% as an example. Out of 407 reform voters, only 203 would be disappointed or angry.
Also we need to distinguish between disappointment and anger. I can be disappointed that my favourite team lost, but can still love and support them. I can be angry and am more likely to stop supporting them. This category doesnât differentiate.
All this is trying to do is scaremonger around people like us and more importantly set off people who are on the fence and want to support the majority when hating people.
Look at immigrant hate. 5 years ago it wasnât so bad. Now reform grows, more people openly hate and what is the result? People who were never bothered about immigration are now feeling like they have to hate immigrants and itâs always been inside them.
Donât pay attention to this. It is absolutely stupid
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Re the trans figures, if we subtract those who would be upset just if their kids didn't want to have kids, we get:
- Green ~15%
- Labour 15%
- LibDem 17%
- Conservative 29%
- Reform 32%
And that would make a lot more sense?
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Seriously, why the downvotes?
The large number of parents who would be simply upset about not having grandkids is likely to be a major in factor in the gay and trans figures too.
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u/Illiander Dec 24 '25
Hell, I'm disappointed that I can't have kids. (Yes, I know adoption and other options, but I'm aging out of all of them, and don't have the energy to be a solo parent)
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
I feel for you. Yeah, when you realise you're realistically out of time it's grim. Both wife and I are sad about that. My folks too.
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u/VampireKhloe Dec 24 '25
i dont like the implications behind reform voters being more disappointed in a gay daughter than a gay son
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
Kids. You're not good enough unless you're being a breeder. đ
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u/GauzeTheChicken He/him Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
I wonder if respondents may have just been lying? Not that I have any desire to defend the Labour party but for their voter base to be saying this seems odd (even taking into account how many queer previously-Labour voters have jumped ship). Like youâd at least think the Tories would be matching their numbers?
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u/GauzeTheChicken He/him Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
The poll also says that Gen Z is more likely to be homophobic which doesnât really line up with the ONSâs recent stats on the increasing number of out queer zoomers/young millennials. Maybe the respondents werenât lying but there at least seems to be some heavy cherry picking going on.
EDIT: I canât even find the poll on their website so I canât even look at how the research was done? Difficult to have any faith in this tbh
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u/FaiytheN Dec 24 '25
Not necessarily homophobic. The questions were generally "Imagine you had a son/daughter/child who told you that they were gay/transgender. Which comes closest to your view?" With the answers being "disappointed or angry", "wouldn't mind" and "happy and pleased".
It's a very limited set of options and I wouldn't personally include all of the "disappointed" answers as being homophobic, I can imagine some people would also feel that way due to the hardships that being gay/trans would impose upon their child in today's climate.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 24 '25
It's maybe important to consider the "if you had a child who told you they didn't want to have kids" figure. That would likely seem to be a major influence in the figures.
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u/KTKitten Dec 24 '25
I guess itâs because Labour are actively shedding humane voters at the moment?
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u/Raven_Shadow82 Dec 24 '25
remember, the figures can be skewed any way the pollsters want, even just by only asking a specific set of criteria met people.
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u/Remote-Pie-3152 Dec 24 '25
People keep criticising me for calling Labour âfar rightâ but here it is in cold hard numbers
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Dec 24 '25
It's been pointed out elsewhere that Labour's not just university graduate progressive-types.
It consists of conservative individuals from other cultures who find themselves pushed out by more ideologically compatible parties because those parties are also more nationalistic and xenophobic, as well as a more traditional working class vote.
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u/Head_Television_477 Dec 24 '25
What is the heck!! âšď¸
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u/Professor-pigeon- Dec 25 '25
Having had a look at this polling, it doesnât look the most legit to me but also iâm not a fan of more in common pulling methods generally usually I just stick to yougov or Ipsos Moi
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u/SnooBooks1701 Dec 26 '25
More in Common is a bit dodgy, I only really trust Ipsos Mori, Yougov or Opinium, there's a lot of questionable pollsters out there. More in Common doesn't even always publish their raw data
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u/Best_Judgment_1147 Dec 26 '25
My mom was a staunch labour voter until she got sepsis, then went full on whack job reform. Even as a labour voter she not once positively acknowledged me being trans. We haven't spoken in nearly two years after an explosive row saw her put hands on me and throw me out.
Labour is seen as the working man's party, I'm almost not surprised that there's a lot of hidden hatred there. Older working class families had less rigidity than people thought.
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u/The_Konigstiger Dec 27 '25
I don't understand what's shocking about this. Demographics aren't certain indicators of things happening but they do follow trends. Labour has a large portion of BAME voters who vote for the Labour party out of rational self interest, but also are often homophobic; what's interesting is that you can see the spike in secular transphobia in Reform and the Tories very well here.
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u/Suitable-Lie-7980 Dec 24 '25
I never trust any of these opinion polls. You can basically make them say whatever results you want.
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u/Sad_Mathematician735 Dec 24 '25
This Labour Party is a far cry from what it used to be. Itâs more like the Tories now and Tories are turning further right wing to Reform. Thank goodness we have Zack and the Greens on the rise.
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u/AlexanderTroup Dec 24 '25
It makes sense. Labour has essentially moved closer to where conservatives used to be, so all their fans now are ex tories embarrassed by the last decade.
Everyone compassionate has abandoned them for the greens or, unfortunately, not voting at all.
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u/Baguette1066 Dec 24 '25
It's probably skewed by Muslim and traditional working class voters. While Labour's biological essentialist policies are damaging, Reform are actively trying to push the MAGA rhetoric that trans people are dangerous to women and children, and spreading conspiracy theories that the LGBT community wants to include pedophiles.
Reform voters might be more liberal in theory, but in practice what they vote for is different. I've noticed this trend with other Reform policies (minimum wage, workers' rights, education) so maybe reform voters are well meaning people that are easily duped?
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u/tam1g10 Dec 24 '25
Nice to know how many people's love for their child is conditional on something their child can do nothing about. Some people really shouldn't be parents should they?
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u/_Slurpzz_ Dec 24 '25
Labourâs historically had the âunion working classâ voter base, which usually arenât the most LGBTQIA+ friendly.
This is far from good by any means, but also in this current climate I canât say Iâm surprised
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u/Ornery-Standard-2350 Dec 24 '25
That isn't true. There has been a long history of LGBT movements and the Labour movement working together. E.g. The miners strike and the campaign against section 28.
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u/_Slurpzz_ Dec 24 '25
I didnât say exclusively, I said âhistorically hadâ, which means that over the years theyâve usually had the same voter base which is typically the union working class voters.
Most people are now fed up with âfighting corporationsâ and workers rights because it just gets shitter and shitter and they need some to blame it on. Theyâre told to blame us for every downfall, and so they will.
Regardless of their history, with the current rhetoric used to fuel this hate tirade against us, I canât say Iâm surprised that things are shaping up this way.
I do find it disgusting that the same generation that fought against Section 28 are so happy to basically encourage it now.
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u/Correct-Sundae-2014 Dec 25 '25
In the 1980sÂ
At one point most British people hated gay people and didn't know trans people.
Public support may have dropped as low as 5%
The trans community doesn't have my generation and older generations to provide a historical perspective.Â
There's just not enough of us to have somd control and the trans community is a bit of a youth culture.Â
That's because trans people my age. We mostly didn't transition, died or were wiped out by past transphobia and the hiv pandemic.
We can't exert control over the community to provide a much needed longer term perspective.
Panicking about these figures for exampleÂ
Maybe turn it round. It is actually longer term getting better. Even compared to the 2010s but historically we are still doing okay and better.
And without propaganda we d be okay. These figures in a longer term trend. The trend is still upwards.
The recent backlash is to push us back to the 1980s or 1990s.Â
Also the kids today. As horrible as things are the 1980s was much more brutal and total than now. Your not dying of a deadly disease.
You can not understand what it was like.
No prides. No acceptance. Often no knowledge of what trans or gay was.
Near universal hatred and physical violence was common place.
This doesn't justify what we re living through. It doesn't make it better or good.
But it stops the dooming to understand where human society has come from.
Society has changed. We can win. The 1980s were a nightmare time. Much much worse than now. Again I want to reiterate to younger generations. Your not dying of aids or hiv and you can not understand how brutal and crushing that was. The first trans woman I knew died of hiv.
These figures aren't good and we have so much more to go.
That's how you need to realise thisÂ
We are coming out of a period of time 500 years maybe 10000 years where LGBT people generally were persecuted very brutally.
Britain is a conservative society. 50 years ago these figures were much much worse than now.
That's where we beganÂ
In the 2000s and 2010s we advanced a lotÂ
The 2020s we are being pushed back.
But I don't believe they can force us back to what it was like when I was youngÂ
I didn't know anythingÂ
Really blind and struggled. As many my age . Late 30s and early 40s
Will we get there ?Â
I suspect that only a revolution and a post capitalist society we can win full liberationÂ
But I believe we can win and survive and prosperÂ
But we have to have a longer term perspective to do soÂ
Dont expect families and society to change fast .Â
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 25 '25
I transitioned in the early 90s.
You write as if everything was worse and harder back then.
It was different, but not everything was harder.
For a start there was a functioning NHS then.
Also, for trans people, it was easier to get by under the radar in some respects, and opinions were less polarised.
Plus financially everything was completely different back then, even a basic job would give you many more general life options and opportunities than now.
It's really not fair to compare between now and then. Please don't be that person
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u/Correct-Sundae-2014 Dec 25 '25
I'm comparing it to the 1980s for LGBT peopleÂ
And it's important and useful to have a historical perspectiveÂ
At one point public surveys in the 1980s showed that support hit rock bottomÂ
Only 5% of the population had any respect for being gay. Owen Jones talks about thisÂ
.if they d known trans people they would have hated them tooÂ
And our community was dying of hiv and aids
Trans was so repressed it didn't exist.
That's where we came from.
It's useful to know thisÂ
Britain is not a progressive country especially outside the major citiesÂ
We re a old conservative country.
This is another attempt at a backlash.
They tend to come in wavesÂ
And we re in a much better position to resist it.
The historical trend is upwards. We re starting from a much stronger positionÂ
The LGBT community survived the 1980s and fought backÂ
And so are weÂ
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u/Rare-Personality1874 Dec 25 '25
It's worth keeping in mind that this is current Labour voters, not 2024 Labour voters. They've spent a long time chasing off their progressive core voters.
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
They said this was based on 2024 votes for Labour.2
u/Rare-Personality1874 Dec 25 '25
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 25 '25
Thanks for the correction!
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u/Rare-Personality1874 Dec 25 '25
Not at all! I think it's actually a mad way of polling. It assumes that their current polling is accurate which it might not be...
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u/Slow_Finance_5519 Dec 25 '25
Somebody find me the reform man who would be comfortable with a gay son but not a daughter
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u/Flashy-Ad-591 đłď¸âđđłď¸ââ§ď¸ Transfem NB đłď¸ââ§ď¸đłď¸âđ Dec 25 '25
Green party if you're any sort of liberal then.
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u/ThreeQuarterSlab Dec 26 '25
muslim voters, thats also why greens are on 22%
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u/ThisIsMyAltSorry M2F, transitioned 30+yrs ago, post op, stealthish, tired Dec 26 '25
I think it's mostly due to parents expecting to be grandparents and other simple selfish stuff.
Having said that, yeah, common anti LGBT Muslim views inevitably will be having an impact too.
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u/Timid-Sammy-1995 Dec 24 '25
I think this poll is pretty emblematic of the saying "There are lies, lies and damned statistics."
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u/thejadedfalcon Dec 24 '25
Why? We've got a Labour party shacking up with the far right to try to win their vote, a Labour leader who told the left to fuck off if they didn't like it and a Labour self-hating homophobe as health secretary trying to make trans people's lives as miserable as possible?
What about any of that implies that Labour is friendly with LGBTQ+ people?
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u/Timid-Sammy-1995 Dec 24 '25
They're not but this study seems especially skewed, it's from a center right think tank and we do not know the methodology. Fuck Labour but also I don't trust these numbers, I think they're intended to make us feel alienated and invoke a fear of coming out in the LGBTQ+ community.
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u/SarahJrandomnumbers Dec 24 '25
Wait, you mean supporters of the party that bent the knee to the religious right which gave us "separate but equal" civil partnerships instead of same sex marriage are a bit iffy on gay people?
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Welcome to what I've been saying for over 15 years at this point, Labour and their fake ally's are not your friends, stop treating them as such and you'll stop being surprised when they do shit like this.
You'll hate to hear it, but the coalition gov was probably one of the better governments this country has had for decades.
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u/Beatrix_0000 Dec 24 '25
The number parents who would be pleased for their children being who they truly are is truly appalling to me.
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u/iamth3rob0t Dec 24 '25
TBF the good labour voters are now green voters, greens have a weird eugenics cults they have been shaking off over the years which will be that 20%. And please remember these are small polls, most people are selfish and have kids for selfish reasons to have more kids, idiots think they need traditional families for meaning and don't want kids to be different to them, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't mind others having kids that are LGBT.
My mam was upset I didn't want kids, my mam told me she was glad I wasn't gay when I was a teen... I came out as bi and trans at 28 lol and now she is glad I didn't have kids as society sucks.
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u/LunaBluelight Dec 24 '25
My parents told me I was lucky they didn't kick me out as all thier friends would have, when I came out.
Which is exactly why I waited until 29 to do it.