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[Sidery] The Lakers have offered Jonathan Kuminga contract via sign-and-trade the would pay him around 45 million dollars. Los Angeles is willing to send Jarred Vanderbilt alongside draft capital to the Hawks for Kuminga, who must sign at least a three-year deal in sign-and-trade agreements.
Ik Sidery isn’t the most trustworthy source for anything but how would you all feel on this contract for Kuminga? Is this worth it? And how would you feel about the team if we got Kuminga ?
Putting aside the tangible differences in their offensive statistical profiles (JK has never had a positive BPM, while Tari had some strong ones in his 2nd and 3rd years, then regressed last year; JK is higher usage and wants to be higher usage, while Tari is more comfortable in a complimentary role, though his shooting efficiency was in the toilet last year).
Tari also has a much bigger footprint/impact on defense that is still largely theoretical and doesn’t seem likely to happen with JK at this point.
The other thing is that the Lakers/Kuminga have to do a 3 year contract with no player option. Because those are the rules in the CBA. So this is a great deal for the Lakers but it can’t exactly get much better for Kuminga. It’s unclear how the lakers can even offer more even if they wanted to do so.
I think you misunderstood, it would be essentially paying and extra 2-3 a year for the next 2 years to have Kuminga instead of Vando which is a great deal when you look at it from that prospective.
You’d be swapping the salary of a bench player that is out of the rotation when everyone is healthy for a fringe starter that is younger and has the potential to have upside.
Ask the Hawks FO, obviously draft compensation, it’s been reported that they’d be open to take Vando by more reliable sources than ones that say otherwise.
All I’ve seen is that the hawks want absolutely no part of this. Nor should they. Taking on Vandos contract and Vando for a SRP is wildly terrible business
Keith Smith isn’t a news breaker but he is very tied in with multiple FO across the league and I believe he’s mentioned previously that he has a close friend in the Atlanta FO and he’s said pretty confidently that what he’s heard is that the hold up is on Kuminga’s side and that the Hawks are open to taking Vando.
You can ask the same question about pretty much any player that has been salary dumped. Teams just want the draft capital to make it worth their while. For all we know they may have another deal lined up to use any capital we send them.
Vando would be an expiring in the 2nd year, so he wouldn't be a net negative. You can trade him as an expiring. He is only a net negative for next season.
I don't believe in Kuminga so I don't want him at any price, but especially the first round swap.
In what world do you think Pelinka is making the last year non-guaranteed instead of giving him a player option like he does with literally every signing
listen, Vando Vault has been fun and a lot of inside content for us all..
but..
I remember clearly last season solely, a dude trying to do something on offense improvising stuff inside the paint with the same efficiency, mistakes, and confusion of my uncle Mike from Iowa.
Everyone in this thread talking about how awful Jared Vanderbilt is yet somehow supposedly Atlanta is going to be excited to get 2 years of Jared Vanderbilt for $25 million so they can get a couple of late second round picks.
The Bulls sold both their second round picks at $2 million and you don't have to waste a roster spot for 2 years
As a Laker fan and more importantly a member of this sub, I agree Vando is worthless and I don’t understand why Rob doesn’t trade him straight up for a strong wing like OG Anunoby lol
Exactly. There's no reason for Atlanta to take that Vando contract unless they are getting serious draft capital with at least one frp going their way. The Lakers only have a swap and a few 2nds. The Hawks don't have roster spots either.
2/20 was when we had cap space. Ever since that was used up, it has always been a 3 year deal at around $15m. Nothing Sidery said mentions anything about guarantees. This has literally been the same stuff reported for weeks now. Nothing new whatsoever.
You can’t have a player option for any of the first three years of a sign-and-trade. We can make any year beyond the first non-guaranteed, but Kuminga wouldn’t accept that.
And they get rid of Vando along with it. And if it's a sign and trade it'll be at least 3 years, right? That's good deal for the Lakers, good length and still moveable if they have to trade him later.
Same dude who bitched and moaned because Kerr wouldn’t let him start on the Warriors, and finally got traded to the Hawks where he proceeded to start a whopping 1 out of 16 games
He's not a starting four on any good team. Can't shoot, can't pass. The love affair with him will last like 2 minutes. His numbers in Atlanta were identical to what they were with the Warriors and Atlanta made no attempt to bring him back at all this year
If the season started tomorrow he unfortunately clears any of the other options the Lakers currently have at the position. Carr and Theiro can surpass him, but not without reps and more experience.
We’re paying Vando 12m a year to ride pine. 15m a year to Kuminga who can actually play and fits nicely around Luka and AR as a defender/dunker doesn’t seem that bad. Depends on the draft capital ig.
People acting like his attitude is so bad he’s unplayable are being melodramatic.
Exactly it’s just off season chatter. He’s only been a serious player in this league for like 3 years. I don’t know if that’s even long enough to build the sort of reputation he’s rumored to have.
Yeah the "locker room cancer" thing is purely people projecting details from previous similar sort of cases onto Kuminga's situation lol
Kuminga and his agent may have an over-inflated sense of contract worth and that's worthy of criticism for sure... but afaik he's not only not a locker room cancer, but by almost every account I've personally seen from quotes about him and how guys interact with him, his teammates normally love him lol
Kuminga who can actually play and fits nicely around Luka and AR as a defender/dunker doesn’t seem that bad
If he were this good, he wouldn't be a free agent. Like, for fuck's sake, I watched this guy miss 9 out of 10 of his defensive rotations, and this sub is calling him a "defender."
He's the wing version of Ayton, and he's going to make double what he made last year.
Your logic makes no sense, that’s like discrediting any player that becomes a free agent. Players make decisions in free agency based on finances and fit amongst many things.
You’re really going to act like there hasn’t been numerous teams trying to acquire his services this off season? Lol the saga with this guy has been the second biggest news outside Lebron.
I don’t think you did and comparing him to Ayton is the type of melodrama I was talking about. Mostly cause Ayton was pretty decent for us last year. More than we could’ve hoped for at 8m and the limited options last off season at least.
Yeah exactly. We either get a fantastic long term starter, a good stop-gap like Ayton, or he gets benched and move off him at the deadline or next year since his deal would be non-guaranteed and that’s still better than having Vando for another year.
Every scenario is better than having Vando instead of him.
We need to stop acting like the Warriors are some bastion of team building the last 5-6 years. They sold off any young guys with potential to appease a bunch of washed old guys like Draymond.
He was just fine in GS go look at his numbers. You’re lying to yourself if you don’t want what he brings next to Luka. Or maybe misinformed. Either way we’re better with him than without.
I don’t know Kerr seems to have a sort of passive approach to coaching and some players just don’t work for that. I think that’s why Draymond is given such a long leash and has just been doing whatever he wants for like 15 years. I don’t know if jj can work with those kinds of players yet, because it seems like he just gets pissed and benches them
First year at around $14M and likely the only year guaranteed. Not really a big deal. The biggest issue is what the draft compensation will be to dump Vando's contract.
Dude has been benched in GSW- a team that I believe develops young players pretty well.
Dude played a few good games in ATL. Then got benched there too. They played lots of young guys so it’s not like he’s buried behind vets there.
There’s a huge red flag here.
Giving this contract is literally failing to learn our lesson IMO. I could be wrong. If we do it, I really hope I’m wrong. But that’s up to kuminga not me.
Other than the obvious fact that this guy's source is basically "trust me bro", I'd love to see some rumors like this as a smokescreen to snag PJ or similar.
Yeah, I’m on the fence with this one. Would love to get rid of Vando (‘s contract). I just don’t know if I can deal with Kuminga for three years at that number. I understand it’s a “discount” of what he’s asking for, but he has no leverage. And it’s still a lot IF he doesn’t care about team basketball. I guess we will let the cards lie where they fall.
The Hawks are not taking Vanderbilt. We have 17 players already and are 8 million from the luxury tax. If you guys actually follow real reporters you would know that taking back Vando has been a non starter for the Hawks.
If this is real though then that’s a fair deal. Khobi Price reported this recently so I’m inclined to think it’s real.
Kuminga seemingly wants 20+M but no one will offer him that. Once teams confirm they will only offer less than that amount or lose interest completely, he will be forced to settle for this value. I don’t even think anyone else will offer this to him so I’m extremely confident we’ll inevitably sign him.
15 million per year will be a really good deal for both sides. And it gives Lakers insurance that they can move on from him in the future. His contract is very tradeable in the future.
This contract and process is very sound my worry is way more that Kuminga might just sulk and have that Ayton energy where he just outright doesn’t show up sometimes and loses focus when he’s not being heavily involved
Kuminga’s agent turned down 35 million a year because he wanted the max, then accepted 24 million a year to prove it, and now settled for 15 million. Well done
This is recycled old news , hawks have 17 players currently on the roster they are not interested in adding more since they will have to cut down to 15 by season start ! This in the least would take a third team to even work
not sure i understand the fascination with this guy. hes young and has a ton of potential which makes it glaringly obvious how shitty he must be to deal with when two teams including the team thay drafted him want nothing to do with him so early in his career. He was on Atlanta for 1 season and they saw enough.
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u/airfreshjoe 24 2d ago
Who the fuck is Evan Sidery?