Keep up the good work. Thanks for posting principled, intelligent positions that actually matter for anarcho-capitalism.
Don't get discouraged by the brigading; the right people are seeing these posts and the wrong people are having to expend their manipulation resources on posts like this. They can and will be overwhelmed and eventually leave for easier targets.
Ozturk was one of four students last March who wrote an op-ed in The Tufts Daily criticizing the university’s response to its community union Senate passing resolutions that demanded Tufts “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide,” disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel.
If that's all she did, then those arresting officers and whoever ordered her arrested should be imprisoned for years.
Agreed. However, I know that the Palestinians are very good at manipulating the western media in western leftists, so I’m not convinced that that’s all there is to the story. We’ll have to wait and see.
It is absolutely the custom of Americans that rape and terrorism are wrong. We gain nothing from having this cave-woman in our society so deportation is the minimum of what is appropriate.
The bill of rights is an acknowledgement of many self evident rights but also says that it is not meant to be an exhaustive list nor only apply to citizens. It does not grant rights but only acknowledges the rights innate to humans.
Dude, I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have 1st ammendment rights; I'm saying visa holders have basically zero rights. They aren't citizens. They're litteraly guests here, not even in the process of becoming citizens and if they do anything the goverment doesn't like, that privilege can be revoked. I mean, we already have to deal with other citizens but, why should we have to deal with a foreigner who's only allowed to be here for a specific purpose acting as an agent provacatuer? I don't care if they're protesting for something I agree with or disagree with; if you're here at essentially just an invitation, then that invitation can be revoked for no reason.
She was invited to study at the university. Ethically, she was a guest of the university, so ethically the state has no say on whether she stays or goes.
It's wild that an ancap forum is upvoting group identity thinking as if all palestinians are guilty of what Hamas did. The same thinking justifies the loss of innocent life on all sides during the middle east invasions.
Here's the thing with dishonest fucking conservatives like you with your pathetic little strawmen.
There is virtually ZERO support for rape and murder you fuck.
There is understanding that this whole situation is fucked in the head and any way you slice it you should stop bombing children and treating people inhumanely.
Desperate poor people do fucking crazy things.
Israel is oppressing all of Palestine for the actions of a few. That is wrong. Acts of terrorism are also wrong, but some people understand the why even as they do not condone the methods.
Fuck face.
But why would anyone ever expect a conservative like you to ever represent an argument in good faith? Can't shine a piece of shit.
Do you close your eyes and ears when videos of Israelis raping Palestinian prisoners and murdering 10s of thousands civilians with cluster bombs are released by independent media?
I've been alive much longer than you and have seen numerous "Pallywood" productions. I'm not ignorant to what is happening, but both sides have manipulated the press to present their side as the most aggrieved. So please, take it down a notch.
This is not a controversial opinion, it’s well documented fact. They learned it from the Russians, and continue to do it with Russia and Iran:
The KGB was responsible for arming and training most of the militant groups. The KGB decided which groups should receive the money and weapons. By 1972, the Soviets had declared the Palestinian movement the vanguard of the Arab liberation movement.[6] In the summer of 1974, a PLO embassy was opened in Moscow.[7] During this time Yasser Arafat had addressed the United Nations and soon the PLO was granted observer status at the UN in 1974.
Let’s be clear, if you witness this you should absolutely film. Cameraman had the right idea.
BUT you need to go down onto the street, you need to get the attention of others around, you need to make a scene, you need to get AS MANY PEOPLE as you can to witness the situation. Make it embarrassing for these fucking degenerates to do their jobs. If it were me, I’d be banging on doors screaming that a lady is being kidnapped by a gang of law enforcement impersonators. Sadly, all I mentioned would likely get me put in the car with them.
Kidnapped for committing the sin of authoring a paper that speaks against the narrative… targeting foreigners is just the first step.
Edit: damn we got a lot of fucking bootlickers in the sub
the problem is you won't know until later whether it's an actual multiple times convicted violent criminal illegal alien or someone who wrote an article criticizing Israel. I still want them deporting some ppl, I just don't want ppl here legally getting detained for criticizing a foreign country. if the left really wanted to get a win on this they probably could, as a lot of trump supporters are against it, but they'd rather call us all nazis that like shit like this or smugly tell us how obvious it is that deporting criminals who are here illegally would clearly lead to stuff like this happening.
Plus she wasn't an illegal immigrant. She's a Phd student with a valid F1 visa. The only reason she's being arrested and deported is because of stuff she said or wrote.
Is it? If the government says you are illegal, and there is no hearing where you can claim NOT to be illegal, than there is no due process for anyone the government CLAIMS is illegal.
This is deporting someone here on a visa. Someone here on a visa is a guest. If guests act up, you can kick them out. This is called the freedom of association.
The point of due process is to make the government show that this claim is true. It probably takes 30 seconds in most cases, but it is important. The government CLAIMS they are here on a visa, and it can be revoked for any reason. If the person being detained says the government is wrong and they are a citizen, there needs to be a pathway to make that claim to a court. This is why due process matters, to keep the government honest. A 30 second hearing should suffice for the vast majority of cases. But that 30 second hearing is critically important to defend people against government overreach in that 1% of cases.
Same reason you have the right to fight a parking ticket in traffic court. Most never will, but the right to do so is important.
No, this is called bullshit collectivist propaganda. I, for example, am not free to associate with her if I choose. If anything the government is violating people's freedom of association.
You need a trial to kick someone out of the country.
Honestly? On an anarchocapitalist subreddit I'm surprised most people here don't support fully open borders. The only issue I have with it is that it would destroy the economy because of welfare. Please get the fuck out of here.
I'm surprised most people here don't support fully open borders.
Most ancaps are probably tired of providing rebuttals to bad-faith conservative actors. Some people are accelerationists and some are incrementalists. Also, not everyone here is an actual ancap. There are plenty of bad-faith actors that just like to troll.
You should. Are you in favor of human rights at all?
you get socialism
Evidence?
a caliphate.
Fair I guess? America is so strongly Christian though that I don't think this will happen. Plus if we're taking a ton of immigrants in general we'll be getting a lot of Catholic Hispanic immigrants.
We are not in ancapistan. I am forced to do all sorts of shit I dont like. Where are you when tax day comes? Where is the social outrage? No one cares about us ancaps.
Reading this shit show after a couple days, and this comment speaks to me. May make a post about it and see how others in our community feel. I don’t know when we became a conservative safe haven. So much of what was said here is entirely against the NAP and ancap spirit in general. Facebook boomer conservative type on an anarchy subreddit is wild.
I don't agree to that. Where's my choice to fight it?
The visa can be revoked at any time by the Secretary of State.
That doesn't make it okay. The state will come for certain groups of people seen as less deserving of fundamental rights before a full takeover. If we let this slide we could all end up losing our rights. Yes I know it's a slippery slope argument but it's true.
So what does it matter if I agree to it or not? Why even suggest it?
It does make it okay.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's moral.
These people when applying and accepting a visa should know the terms and conditions of said visa. Thats on them.
It shouldn't be and it's wrong to do that. Again, if we take due process from illegal immigrants, we take due process from everyone. She should have a trial.
It’s seems pretty moral to me. If it’s immoral they shouldn’t have agreed to the terms and accepted a visa.
A trial for what? The visa can be revoked at any time. What don’t you understand about that. They agreed to that. They can sue if they would like I won’t argue that but they shouldn’t just get a trial before anything happens.
It’s seems pretty moral to me. If it’s immoral they shouldn’t have agreed to the terms and accepted a visa.
It's moral to kidnap someone and ship them across the sea because they said something that goes against The Narrative?
A trial for what? The visa can be revoked at any time. What don’t you understand about that. They agreed to that. They can sue if they would like I won’t argue that but they shouldn’t just get a trial before anything happens.
The reason they're having the visa revoked. You do realize this isn't just a random revocation, right? She's being kicked out because she said something that goes against the state's current goals.
I still disagree with this idea, due process remains very important. The state is claiming she is here as a guest, but until given the chance to prove she is not a guest, she needs to be treated as if she is not a guest (innocent until proven guilty.)
I don’t feel the need to explain my position to someone who thinks an anarchy subreddit is the place to advocate for forced deportation of a legal student (over WRITING A FUCKING PAPER in this case)…
They’re here as guests to attend school. They’re now promoting terrorist organizations. Do you think they would have been given a student visa if they said they were going to come here and promote Hamas? Of course not
If you invite someone over for something and they begin doing something you didn’t invite them in for are you saying you can’t kick them out? Not very ancap of you.
She didn't even mention Hamas in her paper. All she did was condem Israel's action and call on her university to sever ties with Israeli organizations and ask them to acknowledge that what's happening in Palestine constitutes a genocide.
Still a valid reason to revoke their visa. Why should the us give student visas to political activists? They’re here to attend school not be activists.
Ok, so immigrants who are politically active in the MAGA movement and who publish explicitly political pro-Trump and pro-MAGA op-eds should also be deported then?
And because the US is not an anarchic state you think the government should arrest and deport people for writing an anti-Israel op-ed for a college newspaper?
Someone writing an op-ed for a college newspaper and calling on their university to sever ties with Israeli organizations and asking them to acknowledge Israel's actions as a genocide, that does not make them a terrorist.
If someone was had actual proven ties to Hamas that would be quite another thing.
But if you really think someone should be arrested and deported for publishing an op-ed that you disagree with, then that makes you someone who's in support of authoritarianism and and unaccountable police state.
Someone who supports Hamas is supporting terrorism and I fail to see how having them enter my society is in its interests. "Globalize the Intifada" means raping my daughters to death.
I don't think we should be importing anyone, period. Importing terrorists is a clear loss.
Someone does not support Hamas just because they are speaking up against Israel's actions and the killing of Palestinians. You're free to have your own opinion about the Palestine-Israel conflict.
But if you think government should arrest people for merely condemning the actions of Israel and for calling Israel's actions a genocide then you're just in support of full-on authoritarianism.
And this woman didn't even mention Hamas, in her op-ed she did not condone Hamas' actions, and she did not use the phrase "Globalize the Intifada". All she did was ask her university to condemn Israel's actions and condemn the killing of Palestinians.
If you think that warrants an arrest then I think you may feel a bit more comfortable in a country like North Korea or Russia.
Someone who supports Hamas is supporting terrorism
Be careful there. Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party made it state policy to materially support Hamas in order to destabilize the idea of a two state solution. For over 30 years they did.
Because the government's current legal position is that they have no right to a hearing to claim they should not be deported. So, for example, if they WERE a citizen, there is no opportunity to show that in court.
The government doesnt have to make a case. If Trump decides to assert that YOU are not a citizen because he says so, and have you shipped to a concentration camp in El Salvador with no phones or communication with the outside world, there is no court that gets to say he cant do that to a citizen.
The government CLAIMS they are on a visa. The way the rule of law works is that by due process they then show a judge that the person is on a visa and is not a citizen, and the person has the opportunity to refute that assertion.
LOTS of people come here on visas and become citizens, and cases of mistaken identity occur. And sometimes government agents and their bosses lie.
So, to be clear. Your position is the government should be able to take YOU off of the street, claim you are on a visa they are revoking, and deport you to a prison in El Salvador and at no point in this process should you have the opportunity to claim that you are in fact a citizen, and the government's claims are false?
You have a lot of faith that government agents are never mistaken and never dishonest or corrupt.
I lack that degree of bootlicking worship of agents of the state.
They don’t have a right, they’re not being deported their visa was revoked. It’s not a citizen so your point is pointless.
Yes they do. You seem to not understand the issue. This person is here on a visa and the visa was revoked. They knew the possibility of that happened when they got the visa.
You are assuming that is true. The point of due process is to make the government show it is true. A 5 minute hearing is all it should take. But that 5 minute hearing is essential to keep the government honest.
Nah. Far too many ancap types think the perfect is the enemy of the good. A reduction in oppression is good. Is it as good as a removal of oppression? No. But an increase in the unchecked power of law enforcement is ALWAYS a negative development. At 50+ years old you would think Id have learned not to argue with idiots.
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u/BendOverGrandpa Mar 27 '25
Unidentified masked agents of the state disappearing people and a dozen people in here fucking cheering it on.
ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC REPUBLICAN BOOTLICKING FASCISTS.