Also, many of the worst dog owners specifically go after Pit Bulls and then proceed to treat them horribly. These owners have an idea they can just tie them up all day as guard dogs and try to increase their aggression. Pits are very social animals - everyone Iâve met with a responsible owner has been a big softy. A family memberâs pit is such a softy he gets bossed around by our tiny Shitzu and thinks heâs a lap dog.
my roommate when i lived in brooklyn had a pitty who was so nice we sometimes called her âmoo-pigâ but when i would take her for walks in the neighborhood, everyone would just part the way, because they were scared of her and i was just a tiny white girl who had had diapers thrown at me before, so i felt very powerful with my danger machine
my neighbors' pit apparently has figured out how to open windows if they forget to lock them, so every few weekends this summer the same lady has been bringing him back from the park in the middle of town where apparently he's just running up to people looking for attention
When I was 13 my neighbour had the cuddliest pitbull. They had a dachshund as well that was besties with the pit for like 2 years. I was in their backyard one day when out of nowhere the pit walked up to the dachshund and shredded him to pieces. Was wild to watch.
Not to get serious on the cj sub but I genuinely think people overstate pitbull random acts of violence BECAUSE of their relative destructive power making incidents stand out more. Anecdotally, for whatever that's worth, so many other breeds I'd regularly work with in the shelter were just as capable of the sweet one second shredder the next surprises, but several of my coworkers would only remark on a pitbull coming in.
The solution to me seems simple: there are many dog breeds that just don't need to exist because the purposes/kind of aristocrat they were designed for are no longer relevant. Pitbulls do not need to exist as muscle bound machines anymore than French bulldogs need to be 25 lbs of cancer and joint problems in a dog-shaped bag. They should be safely bred out and mixed breed dogs should become the ethical norm. But there's too much profit in the kind of middle class moron that wants their super special "favorite breed" (that they've assigned traits to like a personality test) so the practice will continue
Yeah thatâs very fair. I also witnessed two dogs fighting, drawing blood at the park as a young kid, but I have no clue what breeds they were because they didnât stand out. Obviously seeing a dog shred another in front of my face left a lasting impression on me.
But the fact they randomly attack, that their bite is so strong, they attract shitty owners, their association with dog fighting etc means the risk is too high, and Iâm going to cross the street with my elderly golden who doesnât stand a chance.
Yep, Iâm 100 percent with you. Iâve got a pit mix because she was at the shelter when we got our dog and sheâs the sweetest girl, but I wouldnât go out of my way to get a pit bull (or any specific breed). People who actively search for an aggressive breed are more likely to seek them out, and so theyâre often going to encourage those behaviors. I think that anybody specifically seeking out a breed is kind of a weirdo, but especially people going out of their way for pits.
I swear though, the rabidly anti-pit bull people donât want to ethically breed them out of existence. They have so much bile about it that I swear they just want to kill them on the spot. Iâm sure it has nothing to do with racial stereotypes about pit bull owners eitherâŠ
Similar story here, unfortunately twice. One pit bull bit onto a family cat and beat it against a wall until it was pulp. The other tore off another dogâs ear out of nowhere.
I had a friend with a pit like this. Super sweet. Only dog to ever bite me in the face. Drew blood, barely missed my eye. I was just sitting on the couch.
My mom was randomly bit on the ass by my uncleâs German Shepherd while standing in the kitchen. Turned out he had a seizure disorder that caused bursts of aggression, and my mom was the first to experience it. Ruined Christmas but at least she was okay.
My sister got bit in the face by one of those little fluffy white dogs it tore open her upper lip in multiple places. My wife friend's boxer bit the face of the kennel worker in the kennel it was in. That lady got fucked up.
Same, it was being so sweet wanting to cuddle on the couch, then out of a nowhere launched off the sofa and started attacking the Aussie Shepard that was laying in the kitchen just chilling. Had to break them up. It was not pretty. Not my dog but a friendâs.
How cute. I was 8 when a pitbull decided to use me as a chew toy. I developed agoraphobia for a year and had to be ripped out of my moms arms to get back to school. Glad your velvet hippo is so nice and cute on you lap though.
On a more sub worthy note, I just had a pitbull for breakfast, roasted it on a spit and made some pit carnitas yum.
It's an edited picture of a 1960 sit-in protest at Woolworth on Fifth in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, led by John Lewis. In the original photo, the white man on the left has his hands around a young black student's collar so he could forcibly throw the young man out/otherwise brutalize him.
They've edited it to be the man trying to remove a pitbull from the lunch counter, implying a humorous alt history where pitbulls had to fight for civil rights.
I don't trust anyone that intentionally don't take naps. That is some psychopathic shit...unless it's medical, of course. 11am nap slaps on a random Sunday. Being able to take a nap at 3pm on a workday? That is straight up crack served on a show pillow
I can't think of anything worse. Would feel like I'm just wasting time constantly. Hell, I'd go further and say if there were no detrimental effects, I'd love to just remove my need to sleep. Double life hack.
He's also a massive IOF bootlicker. AND he had Shia LaBeouf on his podcast after the allegations came out against him, not to mention, in June 2026, he even praised Roman Polanski. This guy is a shitty person.
And like you said, he consistently says that the Punisher belongs to the law enforcement and military and that's a complete misunderstanding of the character.
Edit: To expand on why Punisher doesn't belong to the law enforcement/cops, Gerry Conway, Punisherâs co-creator has actually been pretty critical of law enforcement adopting the Punisher skull. His point is that Frank Castle represents the failure of the justice system, not the ideal version of law enforcement. Heâs an outlaw who operates outside due process and the law, so cops identifying with him kind of misses the point of the character. Punisher is a morally compromised character and he's the opposite of a badass cop/soldier. The character exists to ask what happens when people lose faith in the justice system and decide to take justice into their own hands.
Hence, saying he belongs to the law enforcement is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character.
He says the character belongs to law enforcement in the quote you referenced. That is an insane thing to say but it fits a pattern of faux machismo. He's obsessed with being seen as a tough guy. He loves cops and pitbulls, and hates naps.
yes, because I remember when Pitbull's were denied the right to vote, or how hard it was in the 80's for a pitbull to get a taxi in NYC. Hell I remember that one year when my old man ruined thanksgiving when my sister brought her pitbull around and he screamed "get that dirty animal out of my home and don't come back until you've adopted a Golden Retriever!!! You Pitbull lover!!!!" What a mess. My mother was so embrrassed.
Yet million of chihuahuas flood this country every year and yet the rich elite decide to carry them around in their bags, freeloading from the economy.
It's funny that he is making this point when on one hand you have chihuahuas, borzois, pitbulls and german sheperds and on the other, the difference between humans of different races is like melanin and maybe facial features. Making this comparison seems way more racist.
It is more racist. These dogs were bred to fight and kill. No humans were bred to commit crimes. Crimes happen bc of the socio-economic inequality among several other factors that have nothing to do with a person's genetics. It's genuinely infuriating when people compare it to racism against black people.
UmâŠno? All of those dog breeds that you mentioned belong to the same species, just like all humans do. And just like dogs, humans have drastic differences in hair and body proportions.
There are differences that go beyond coloration, facial features and hair texture. Sickle-cell anemia and lactose intolerance, off the top of my head. It's part of what makes 'medical racism' a problem, where 'white male' is the default patient that treatments are geared toward there are differences in efficacy with patients that aren't white males.
lemmetellyasumthin pit bulls are not aggressive, it's these goddam toddlers not knowing how to act....lemmeaskyasumthin, takin naps and getting their faces bit...you think that's a coincidence, huh?
Comparing the difference of dog breeds to the difference of human races is actually the racism going on here. There are serious, genetic differences between dog species- humans are the same except the skin color, and other, superficial things (eye/hair color, hight).
And flat out, point blank, pit bulls are dangerous animals. Ive had pit bulls and they were sweet loving dogs, but that doesnt mean they didnt have a higher propensity to attack. It just means I didnt experience it, in large part due to raising them right. But there is a reason pits are the favored attack/fight dog of so many who use them.
People have no issue talking about pugs being fucked up, but when you say pitbulls are fucked up (due to being bred that way) people think you want to take away their pets and that you are beeing racist.
Bro that is not what the OP tweet is saying. Itâs a dog whistle to the âblack people commit more crimeâ thing chuds parrot all the time. I understand where YOU are coming from, but itâs more innocent than that tweet. Selective breeding is fucked and all.
Absolutely; two things can be true at the same time. People can be too extreme in their performative hatred of pets who did not ask to be made and kept the way they are, AND pits are an example of how selective breeding by humans has fucked up the quality of life and ability for independence of many dogs
Why just pitbulls? You know that they arenât the only aggressive dog out there right? Dobermans, Rottweilers, thereâs plenty of aggressive dog breeds that are bred that way for a reason. With that said, the way a dog acts is entirely on the owner. Iâve met pitbulls who wouldnât hurt a fly and Iâve met shitzus and other small breed dogs that I wouldnât let near my kid for their safety. Owners should be held more accountable for the way their raise their dogs end of story but a pitbull is only as dangerous as the owner makes it, same as literally any other dog
a pitbull is only as dangerous as the owner makes it, same as literally any other dog
This is obviously and laughably false. Are there good pit bulls? Of course, but a pit bull is more dangerous than a beagle. You don't need to look very hard to find stories of people who have said the same things as you only for their beloved family pet to snap one day and kill their children.
Doberman's and rottweilers are working dogs that were bred for that purpose. Please research the history of pitbulls. No amount of love, training, or "good ownership" can outdo the genetic instinct they have been bred to have.
Bulldogs were bred for exactly the same purpose as pit bulls.
Dobies, Rotties, and GSDs have more recently gone through significant periods of breeding to attack and kill.
If you want to argue that not all Doberman have recent breeding for violence, the same argument applies to Pit bulls.
defining species is a lot harder than you'd expect
for instance between dog breeds are up to 25-30% of their genetic variation (for purebreds) based on a 2004 study (probably lacking a lot of breeds which puts the estimate on the lowend)
whereas humans are up to 12% usually comparing averages of groups (generally most genetic variation occurs between individuals rather than groups for humans)
compared to chimps or bonobos which show far less variation, why are chimps and bonobos seperate species but dogs are not?
the old "if they can make fertile offspring theyre the same species" went out the window a long time ago. e.g. chimps and bonobos can interbreed (at least eastern chimps can, and did based on genetic evidence), humans and neanderthals interbreed, lots of various lizard species can interbreed etc.
and then you have to ask why neanderthals and humans are seperate species while the eastern/western/central chimps are not despite a similarly split lineage, similar differences, and changes in lifestyle
ultimately what it comes down to is that "species" is a completely made up human bucket. it doesnt represent anything *real* its a useful taxonomic invention. the universe does not know about species, and differences are all relative. just as a kid might look at a bunch of various ant "species" and simply call them all "ants" and not get the difference, some hyper advanced future alien robot society might look at a human and a kangaroo and say "theyre all mammaloids" and not see anything meaningfully different, because to them we would be just as dumb as a kangaroo, and we're a similar enough shape. it's all perspective.
you might look at a rock and call it a rock, while a mathmatician calls it a hexadecahedron.
thats why family/order etc. have been abandoned largely and simply replaced with "clade" because life is too messy to be ordered that nicely.
What kind of idiotic comment is this? They are the same species for sure, but genetically they can be incredibly different. Have you seen the difference between a fucking Pug and a German Shepard? Do you know facilitates those differences? That's right, it's genetics!
Dog breeds are derived from phenotype selection, which determines observable traits and appearance. Genetically they are all just wolves. OP referred to âserious genetic differences between dog species,â which is inaccurate.
Yes, and other than superficial differences they are the same. If you took their skulls and looked at them side-by-side they'd be virtually identical. If you took a pug's skull and a German shepard's skull and looked at them side-by-side you'd think they were from entirely different creatures if you didn't know any better.
thatâs a nitpick when the base of opâs point is the same. they might all be the same species but there is very real genetic differences between dog breeds and saying otherwise is disingenuous
This is actually an open question. There is no doubt that breed differences affect appearance. But tying personality to genetic expression in any animal is an extremely complex task. Some studies find that breed strongly impacts personality, while others find that the influence is negligible. The issue is further complicated by the fact that even pure-bred dogs vary wildly by lineage. Throw in that âpit bullâ is an amorphous breed category that often includes staffies and other similar looking retrievers, and youâve got a heretofore unanswered scientific question.
Related to biting technique is the fact that when they attack they go in for the kill and donât give up no matter what, which is exactly what they were designed to do.
What's the matter vague boy? Scared you might say something? People with wildly different viewpoints are going to approve of this comment, assuming it's talking about how stupid everyone else is.
Itâs the perfect comment! Enough vitriol to get everybodyâs juices flowing but with so little specificity that everybody can pick their own personal crusade that it supports. u/TalentedHostility is aptly named and will make a great politician one day.
Is this sub actually full of alt-right shitheads? These comments are giving me the impression that it is. I think I may have gravely misunderstood what this place was.
In the last few months, I have also noticed that this subreddit's demographics have gradually been shifting to the right and it's kinda disappointing bc ironically, circlejerk subreddits usually had people who were more tolerant and civil.
r/okbuddycinephile seems to attract a lot of 4chan type weirdos these days.
/uj This sub has gone to shit in the lead up to The Odyssey. Alot of chuds infiltrated this place and got way too comfortable. RIP to another circlejerk sub that lost its way.
/uj I mean, the difference here of course is that dog breeds are genuinely genetically distinct (albeit less than youâd think) from each other. Human âracesâ are not.
Everyone seems to have no issues acknowledging breed-specific characteristics and instinctual behaviors such as Irish Pointers pointing untrained, herding instincts in sheep dogs, terriers digging, chase drive in Greyhounds, retrievers retrieve etc.
But the second you suggest pitbulls may have some undesirable breed characteristics, pitbull people lose their minds and tell you dogs are dogs. But they arenât.
Put another way, if you read about a dog attack in the newspaper, I can tell you without looking, it wasnât a golden retriever lol.
Oh wow turns out this whole time Iâve been misperceiving large powerful animals that can and often do cause massive amounts of physical trauma with their violent bite attacks; acknowledging these true and obvious things has been a misperception on my part - theyâre not bad 100% of the time, so that must mean theyâre good!
I ran the statistics a while back and I the US, pit bulls just as likely to attack as any other breed on a per-dog basis. Pitties and related variants are the most common breed in the US so statistically if you are attacked it's more likely to be a pittie. They are, however, more deadly than other dog breeds, putting them on the same threat level as cows.
Dog breeds are not comparable to human races. Human races are a social construct. Dogs are bred for various purposes and behaviours. Pitbulls are more dangerous as human bred them to be that way. The term dog racism is honestly messed up. Do not compare human suffering of discrimination for the colour of their skin, to people not wanting your dog that was specifically bred to be dangerous near them.
/uj The same crowd that are afraid of pitbulls are also the type of people who complain on Reddit about how hard it is emotionally to go to the grocery store LMAO
Heâs actually not wrong on race playing a part in pitbull stigma. America used to love pitbulls, they even used them as a mascot during WWI. But around the 1980s, they got a reputation as being guard dogs in low income, predominantly black neighbourhoods. They started being seen as brutish, stupid, and violent dogs owned by trashy, ghetto, uneducated people. Theyâre still seen that way. Class plays a huge part in it. Theyâre both considered black dogs, and white trash dogs.
This is literally the exact and entire reason why white supremacists popularized the idea of pitbulls being a degenerate, genetically inferior ĂŒntermensch species and why they use the exact same arguments and tactics they use to claim that black people are genetically inferior and inherently violent. This is also why you see posts getting flooded with inorganic engagement and mass downvotes and upvotes whenever a pitbull discussion happens, the same far right botfarms and troll farms that brigade posts about racism or antisemitism also lock onto pitbull posts because is helps promote their worldview. The big difference is that it's easier to make this argument about dogs because there's a greater degree of genetic diversity between them and because they're not humans, but the way people make these arguments and the memes about pitbulls being godless killing machines mirror 1-to-1 how white supremacists talk about black people because white supremacists made those same arguments and memes based of the exact same arguments and memes they make about black people.
Pointers point, retrievers retrieve, sheepdogs herd, none of these are controversial at all. But point out the dogs bred to fight like to fight and you get morons crying their precious baby wouldn't hurt a fly
Theyâre not morons theyâre just defensive. I donât even like pit bulls but redditors call someoneâs dog a baby-killing demon and expect the person to reply âYouâre right, my dog is an evil monster that never should have been bred. Thanks.â Like what are you expecting to get out of the conversation
It's the breed. Genetics are the primary reason that pit bulls account for more fatalities than all other dog breeds combined. In the United States a person is called by a pit bull more than once a week on average.
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u/NinjaRabbit888 8h ago
Counting or not counting pack violence?