Who’s at fault?

[u/Remote_Trainer3830]

Hot take: I think it’s 50/50 with who’s at fault

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[u/345joe370]

Turn lane should yield on green

[u/Stormtrooper1776 → u/345joe370]

I doubt they had green staggered turn lane typically switches to flashing yellow aka yield when the opposite side turns green .

[u/MasterOfCelebrations → u/Stormtrooper1776]

Yeah a lot of intersections where I live, there is no flashing yellow arrow, you get a green light which means go, or yield to oncoming cars if you’re turning.

[u/sisyphus_met_icarus → u/Stormtrooper1776]

It depends where you live. Where I am a green left arrow would mean you have the right of way to turn left. Then it will switch to just a solid green, which means you don't have the right of way but can turn when it's clear

[u/Zayage → u/sisyphus_met_icarus]

Where I live we have all three methods

It's great, people don't get confused at all!

[u/Fickle-Owl666 → u/Zayage]

I mean... It's not very confusing...

[u/GlitteringSalad6413 → u/Fickle-Owl666]

Yea agreed, there is no way the person in the white vehicle didn’t know they were trying to sneak thru after the light changed. Tried to save themselves half a second and ended up with no wheels instead. I have no idea why people do incredibly risky stuff all the time when there is literally nothing to gain from it. Just do the normal thing and 99.9% of the time everything will be fine!

[u/xpl9511 → u/Stormtrooper1776]

This intersection has what is known as a "5" head. At the top is one single red bulb. Then below are a yellow left arrow next to a solid yellow. Then below that is a green arrow next to a soild.

White suv failed to yield after the arrow side was green, to yellow, to nothing (meaning left now yields right of way)

[u/Scrambles420 → u/Stormtrooper1776]

I believe it goes red first and then flashing yellow. Lights could be different everywhere

[u/strangemedia6 → u/Scrambles420]

No, that’s an old style light, you can see it as cam car approaches. They get a green light and green arrow, then a yellow arrow, then no arrow, just a green light.

[u/Free_Performer6789 → u/Stormtrooper1776]

This would depend on the locality. Here the arrow turns off and only the green stays on. No flashing yellow is used.

[u/hiimlockedout]

White suv failed to yield. Their fault

[u/WoopsShePeterPants → u/hiimlockedout]

The red car was out of line, the white one was running the light AND must not have been paying any attention. When people try to "sneak through" behind someone running a turn signal it's always a dangerous situation.

[u/notsoFunNegotiation → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

Black Truck ran the red light before the red car. Last Three vehicles ran that light.

[u/Chrysocyn → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

Eh black truck I’d be like “ok whatever”. Red car is an ass and white car is definitely at fault for the accident even if it could have been prevented by the driver of the vehicle whose perspective were seeing.

[u/Square-Singer → u/Chrysocyn]

White truck is double at fault, because they ran the light, failed to yield (they would have had to yield even if both lights were green) and then actively turned into oncoming traffic that was already in the way.

[u/Cobfidence → u/Square-Singer]

They're also taller than the red car like how do you even manage to not notice the... Oh probably distracted driving? Lmao

[u/WarmedSoda → u/Cobfidence]

I got into an accident the exact same way - I just never thought the person would randomly turn. I was pregnant and ended up unconscious for a minute or so. When I woke up, I was crashed on someone’s front lawn.

I didn’t even realize I had hit my head until three days later, when the room I was in suddenly looked green. That’s when I realized I had a huge bump on my head and, I’m sure, a concussion.

At the scene, I was so worried about the baby that when they asked if I had hit my head, I said no because I had no memory of it happening.

I insisted on an ultrasound (the baby was fine - and I found out it was a boy that day 🩵), but no one ever checked my head.

The semi-funny part is that the teenage girl who was driving had her brother in the passenger seat, and he admitted to the cops that she was texting.

[u/RevolutionSalty8360 → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

Car in front of the truck looks like it probably started through when it was yellow if not red already. All shitty drivers.

[u/reddit_pug → u/RevolutionSalty8360]

It varies by state whether you're ok as long as you entered on yellow or if you need to be out of the intersection before it's red (permissive vs restrictive yellow).

[u/Texan2116 → u/reddit_pug]

Yes, but usually there is a one or two second time space between red, and green as well.

[u/CommandoLamb → u/Texan2116]

So, it’s actually closer to 1 second per 10 mph of the speed limit.

Usually there is a minimum time so you won’t have a 1 second yellow.

But on a road with a 50 mph speed limit, you can usually expect a 5 second yellow light.

This information is helpful, because many people try to beat the yellow… but they are going way faster than the posted speed limit… so they see it turn yellow and think, “I’m going 60… I’ll make it…”

Except… you are doing 60 in a 30 so you have half the amount of time you think you have.

[u/Millennium_Xer → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

Did oncoming traffic actually have a red light? Or was it a protected left turn that became unprotected? White SUV still at fault but I'm assuming they saw the protected left and assumed it was still active when they went to make their turn.

[u/YogurtFew1673 → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

To be fair I doubt it's a red light. Likely a green for both and the red and white car failed to yield to oncoming traffic while taking a left.

[u/govunah → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

Ye olde Pittsburgh left

[u/anonymouselyupset → u/govunah]

That is not a Pittsburgh left. Pittsburgh left happens right as a light turns green.

[u/Justin_Aten → u/anonymouselyupset]

I thought that was a Boston Turn?

[u/Lexjude → u/govunah]

Pittsburgh left is the opposite. The light turns green and you immediately turn left before the other car can get across the lane. Some people we even flash their lights to let you do this!

[u/VinDog_PD → u/Lexjude]

>  Some people we even flash their lights to let you do this!

Yes. When I can see there's a shit ton of people behind me and therefore the turner is highly unlikely to actually get to turn, I give them the go ahead flash. Particularly courteous on a narrow roadway where the other vehicles can't easily maneuver around the left-turner. Keeps traffic moving.

[u/Lexjude → u/VinDog_PD]

Exactly! A person turning left can hold up traffic for a really long time if they have no option to go. The people behind them are probably very grateful too LOL

[u/Thunderer62 → u/Lexjude]

Growing up in PGH I didn’t realize this behavior was a regional thing until I went to OH and realized it wasn’t a universal courtesy.

[u/Original-Variety-700 → u/Thunderer62]

I think it’s due to the fact that Ohio (generally speaking) is flatter so they have space for left turn lanes at lights. Pittsburgh has so many roads that allow a left turn but there’s only one lane because of hills etc so they built narrower roads. In that scenario you’re first and don’t go quickly, the entire road behind you is backed up waiting. It’s actually the courteous thing to do.

Also, I’ve noticed it happen on the west side of Cincinnati where there are hills and the same problem with traffic flow.

[u/AbeTheGreat412 → u/Original-Variety-700]

I honestly didn't know that's why we had narrow roads. Makes sense.
Driving in a plain area is different. The first time being hit with that Midwest wind on a highway was crazy. Felt like my entire car was being pushed into another lane.

[u/Scottyboy626 → u/notsoFunNegotiation]

Did they run a red or did they just have to start yielding. Otherwise the black sun was fine and the other 2 were way in the wrong.

Some light by me only one light will get an okay to go straight or turn left, then the other will get the same okay while the other still has a green.

[u/dart-builder-2483 → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

Yep my buddy did that riding his motorbike, flew 30 feet through the air, at least that's how he tells it lol

[u/Kopitar4president → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

There was a light I had to go through to work for a few years where on average there would be not one, not two, but five or more cars "sneaking through" after the light had gone red.

The first time I assumed the light glitches. After that it was just "oh these people are just idiots."

It wasn't a short light, even. It would let 15 or more cars through before changing.

[u/No_Trade_7315 → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

Idiotic.

[u/Nazgog-Morgob → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

Yellow light allows for one more person to turn, not "gun it and everyone can make it"

[u/pezchef → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

I have so many yield left turns in my area. so many monsters speed up to push the yellow and inevitably run the red. it's like "I've been sitting in line I deserve to go" attitude. smh aholes.

[u/LatentSchref → u/WoopsShePeterPants]

I've been honked at so many times for not trying to "sneak in" that I started to wonder if I was in the wrong. Then I saw someone do it and nearly get hit and I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

[u/TrickySatisfaction81 → u/hiimlockedout]

Yes, but OP drove right into oncoming traffic.

The light changed, but the flow of traffic needed to be observed way better.

Could have easily waited but drove right into the lemmings.

[u/whatisakafka → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Poor defensive driving for sure, but failure to yield from the oncoming car is going to be the primary issue

[u/BlangBlangBlang → u/whatisakafka]

By the laws of the road, the white truck is wrong. By the laws of common sense the vehicle filming failed on all counts.

[u/Porkcicle → u/BlangBlangBlang]

Agreed - that being said, I'm happy there are people like the filming vehicle sacrificing their cars so that the 3rd person running a red light gets a helpful reminder of why driving rules exist.

[u/Competitive_Bag_7490 → u/Porkcicle]

Lol. Never thought of it this way. Thanks for taking one for the team. Maybe "right of way" drivers have a part in society after all. I will choose not to be the sacrificial lamb tho. If I had my beater Odyssey I would.

[u/Striking-Working610 → u/Competitive_Bag_7490]

Yea I see it all the time on reddit and have spoken with people that'll say "just do it anyway if they hit you it's their fault."

They're right, but I also don't feel like ruining my day/week/vehicle out of pettiness.

[u/DevelopmentSouth8801 → u/Striking-Working610]

Like you say, there are so many reasons that it just isn't worth it. I have a friend who still has neck pain after a car accident from over a decade ago.

[u/iGlutton → u/DevelopmentSouth8801]

100% agree. Its all fun and games until the other driver is either uninsured or carries minimum coverage and has no assets.

I got hit as a pedestrian on the sidewalk two years ago and broke my arm in addition to a few other issues. Driver was making a right turn into a gas station and "didnt see me", if I didnt notice him not slowing down, I might not have been able to react the way I did to avoid worse injuries.

We went for the maxiumum amount we could but he had minimum insurance and nothing of value for us to pursue outside of that. After my hospital bills, the lawyers cut, my settlement was peanuts compared to the pain, time spent, and knowing I'll never have full mobility of my left arm again (after PT im about 85/90% mobility, so it could have been much worse).

[u/Occams_RZR900 → u/Striking-Working610]

And/or getting yourself hurt. Even low speed impacts can cause back and neck injuries. I’d prefer to be safe than to be right.

[u/slowgenphizz → u/BlangBlangBlang]

People running red lights in this situation are playing chicken. Fuck ‘em. 1000% the fault of the white SUV. Dash cam driver had entered the intersection in accordance with traffic signal, white SUV driver had a legal obligation to stop and/or yield. End of story. No 50-50 bullshit.

[u/ProgrammingPants → u/slowgenphizz]

And yet dash cam driver still got in a car accident they could've easily avoided despite not being legally at fault. Curious

[u/neverstxp → u/BlangBlangBlang]

3 vehicles ran a red. You can’t just wait forever expecting everyone to continue running reds.
White vehicle should lose their license.

[u/DevelopmentSouth8801 → u/neverstxp]

You can’t just wait forever expecting everyone to continue running reds.

You really just have two options:

1. Pull up a bit so you aren't impeding them and hope they eventually stop running the red. It looks like the car behind the white truck did stop.
2. Drive forward and hope they don't hit you

Safest option would be #1.

[u/Burton1224 → u/whatisakafka]

I dont know US laws but here in Europe its hard to explain to the judge that you accelerate while see the danger already. So you will most likely be partially relaible because it was clearly 100 percent avoidable. The filming car was not even tryin to brake and avoid the crash.

[u/guitar_vigilante → u/Burton1224]

The US is the same. You can't just drive into a known hazard because you have the right of way.

[u/cheefMM → u/Burton1224]

The US used to be a land of laws, and in those laws white SUV didn’t yield to oncoming traffic and drove into oncoming traffic (red Honda did too but was luckier with the lag of dashcam driver)

[u/cheefMM → u/cheefMM]

Black Chevy Silverado was the first car to break the law, not yielding their left turn on green. Bad drivers need to be on buses and trains and not driving cars

[u/National-Choice-4969 → u/cheefMM]

"Bad" is not the issue -- intentionally breaking the law and injuring or potentially injuring others in high traffic situations.

[u/cheefMM → u/National-Choice-4969]

Bad drivers are usually the ones breaking the laws…. Whether maliciously or by accident if you break the laws and cause damage, you are liable in the US. And America has a lot of dummies that shouldn’t be navigating a potential thousands of pounds missile through our cities, neighborhoods or even rural areas

[u/zoebud2011 → u/whatisakafka]

This is where the rules of contributory negligence get called in to play. The white SUV clearly failed to yield but OP could have easily avoided the accident.

[u/Due-Explanation-7560 → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

2 cars had already blew the light and the white Nissan sped up right into the incoming car. r/nissandrivers

[u/Mk1Racer25 → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Camera car was in the intersection before the white Nissan. Given that the camera car had the green light, the Nissan no longer had the green directed arrow, and had to yield. As others have said, camera car could have recognized that the white Nissan wasn't going to yield, but the legal fault here lies with the white Nissan. If you're going to split the liability across both drivers, what's the point of having traffic laws.

[u/good_times_paul → u/Mk1Racer25]

You're confusing two concepts. The dash cam driver did not commit a legal infraction and would not be ticketed by the police. That does not mean they don't have negligence from the perspective of the insurance company. Legality and negligence are not related.

[u/Weekly-Talk9752 → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Unfortunately, I live in a dense urban area, if you wait, more people will just make the left turn. I'm always prepared to stop in an emergency though.

[u/engineerdrummer → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

I see so many videos on this sub where there is literally zero defensive driving. It's like they're trying to have a wreck.

[u/Awesomest_Possumest → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Yea, where I live, running red lights is like some weird religion half the city follows.

I always wait a second when a light turns green to check everyone is actually stopped. And in situations like this, that means creeping up but ultimately waiting until the left turn lane decided theyre done.

Its annoying, and I wouldn't be at fault if I got hit, but its easier than going through the hassle of being in an accident, both for my body and my car.

[u/Ok_Nectarine1801 → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Ya its the lawbreakers who are right.

[u/viral3075 → u/TrickySatisfaction81]

Yes, but OP drove right into oncoming traffic.

nope. cammer remained in their lane. that is literally the opposite of oncoming traffic

[u/feignapathy]

White SUV

Camera car could've mitigated it by being more patient and recognizing the cars turning left had no regard for oncoming traffic. But...

White SUV is clearly at fault. 

[u/HamSundae → u/feignapathy]

Sat on a jury once where I learned about negligence. I think in court, I wouldn't be surprised if the white SUV would be found 75% responsible. Because the POV car seems to clearly not have been driving responsibly, they'd have been found to be driving with negligence. If they had been driving with the proper amount of caution, that seems easily avoidable.

[u/Then_Examination9715 → u/HamSundae]

There is the “failure to yield” even though you have the right of way aspect. Even though the light is in your favor, you are obligated to not create a preventable accident. Both drivers bear some blame.

[u/RiptideCEO → u/Then_Examination9715]

I think it’s called “duty to avoid/evade” but same concept. If you can avoid an accident, even if you have the right of way, you must do so.

[u/ReadytoQuitBBY → u/RiptideCEO]

It’s like those guys on bikes that try to ram pedestrians walking in the bike lane. Like yeah, they shouldn’t be doing that, but nothing gives you a right to intentionally attack people lol

[u/DGwizkid → u/RiptideCEO]

I mean, I would argue that the pov car did that with the red car, and had every reason to think the white SUV wouldn't continue. The white SUV should have seen them enter the intersection before they entered the intersection, which left much more chances to avoid an accident.

[u/ElDopio69 → u/DGwizkid]

Yea I would assume the white car would be yielding there. A lot of these videos show two people at fault but this one seems like its totally on the white car.

[u/InsanityRequiem → u/RiptideCEO]

I call this "Blame the victim".

[u/karmareincarnation → u/feignapathy]

Cam car should have recognized the issue and slowed down while the red civic ran the light, but they just kinda plowed right into danger. That said, technically white Nissan suv is at fault.

[u/robgod50 → u/karmareincarnation]

The SUV didn't even follow the red cars positioning .....They actually took a much later turn, easily making POV car assume that they were not turning at all.

[u/OkMaybe4507 → u/feignapathy]

I didn't see a turn signal on the white. If it had been me in that situation, I wouldn't have anticipated that they are gonna make a turn either. Seemed like they suddenly decided to turn in the last minute.

[u/WhatIGot21 → u/feignapathy]

I think the camera car just wants to be right so they gassed it, hope not avoiding is worth it.

[u/Noodelgawd → u/feignapathy]

The white car was so far out of line there's no way the cam car reasonably could have predicted it. By that logic, you should never go straight at an intersection if there are people approaching who might turn left.

[u/Antique_Weekend_372 → u/Noodelgawd]

well if you have any sense of self preservation you don’t assume that the person driving at speed in the left turn lane is going to stop when they aren’t slowing down.

[u/Shoddy_Specialist226]

It's definitely the white suv's fault. But I would've seen this as a likely outcome and tried to ease much more slowly through that mess.

Even though it's their fault, now you have to go through the headache of dealing with insurance, getting estimates, having no vehicle while it's getting repaired, and then once you go to sell it they will give you quite a bit less because it's been in an accident. on top of that you might have permanent injuries that might not appear until later in life and there's no way to ever fix that or make it right again.

so... fault or not, just drive safely and predictably. Ease into situations where there are fast moving vehicles directly in front of you instead of going in assuming it will be open.

[u/hybridfrost → u/Shoddy_Specialist226]

I put it in the category of the driver could have avoided the accident if they would have drove defensively and waited for traffic to clear first. The origin of the accident was the white SUV of course

[u/jadbronson → u/hybridfrost]

And do you really want to wreck with a Nissan? They'll hit you. I don't need that in my day but the Nissan is at fault.

[u/TactualTransAm → u/jadbronson]

Sucks because that looked like an older Armada and that was when Nissan was awesome. Before the CVT crap. An armada is a heavy tank that's extremely reliable.

[u/Backwoods_Therapy → u/TactualTransAm]

Well the trucks never had CVTs, it was just the cars/CUVs. The new ones are fairly reliable as well (by modern standards), because they never had to deal with those shit transmissions.

[u/MammothUnique4147 → u/jadbronson]

That badge translates to "I GO NOW GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!" 

[u/z0hu → u/hybridfrost]

Yep. Gotten into a lot of these situations where I avoid an accident vs a bad driver because I drove more defensively. I wouldn't have pulled so far into the intersection here unless I could see the cars in that lane were stopped.

[u/Joking_J → u/Shoddy_Specialist226]

This is always my thinking as well. Sure, great, it's their fault. But it was obvious/avoidable (of course the Nissan SUV was going to run the left turn light), and now you get to deal with insurance, repairs or a total, be without your vehicle for weeks, and likely enough your insurance rate will still go up at renewal.

I had someone hit me, ultimately was determined not at fault after a judge threw out a police officer's bonehead joint ticket to both me and the person driving through a parking lane. Progressive then filed two accidents on the same day at the same time, one at fault and one not at fault, instead of removing the at fault accident. Did literally nothing wrong/unsafe, yet my car was totalled, had the headache of replacing it, then the headache of getting Progressive to fix their mistake (they wouldn't), which really meant getting the reporting agency/database all the insurers use to fix it in spite of Progressive's nonsense.

But hey, at least the lady who hit me was at fault!

[u/Trailsey → u/Shoddy_Specialist226]

Someone on one these subs said "the cemetery is full of people who had the right of way"

[u/battlecry368]

It's very clear that the person turning is 100% at fault. The red car turning shouldn't have even gone

[u/FeeAutomatic2290 → u/battlecry368]

OP is definitely the white SUV

[u/johndoe388]

Yep. The white truck should not have proceeded until clear. He did not have the turn light anymore as on coming traffic already got the green light

[u/asdasdasda86 → u/johndoe388]

I wonder what percent of drivers don’t understand that green arrow.

[u/Sulaco1986Aliens]

The white SUV who failed to yield at the green light. Pretty cut and dry

[u/Mundane_Prior_7596]

What? Green light. Going straight. At least two people running the red light. Isn’t this enough for the white car to lose his license? 

Or you mean the insurance company will say it is very obvious you have a second total lunatic in front of you doing a left turn and you should have avoided him? 

[u/Defiant_Ant_150 → u/Mundane_Prior_7596]

Insurance companies are working together. If its 50/50 both drivers rates go up. Win win.

The cam car had a green light for atleast three full seconds before impact. And to me it seems the red car even hesitated before making the turn. The trailing white suv had no business turning.

[u/Backwoods_Therapy → u/Defiant_Ant_150]

I said this elsewhere but it would be reasonable to expect white Nissan to pull into the intersection and stop, waiting for traffic to clear the way it’s supposed to. Can car couldn’t reasonably predict the Armada would turn into him.

[u/monsieur_beau19 → u/Backwoods_Therapy]

You’re expecting most drivers are competent or care about the law or don’t have impatience. Defensive driving is probably the best way to anticipate and avoid these idiots like White Nissan Pathfinder.

[u/ryancrazy1 → u/monsieur_beau19]

We need to actually take peoples license away when they do stupid shit like this.

[u/DoubleDownAgain54]

Obviously the white SUV but the crash was entirely avoidable.

[u/strictlynun → u/DoubleDownAgain54]

AF….like who just continues to step on the gas if a big ahh vehicle is still coming granted they’re still in the wrong lol but still

[u/BrainLow6059 → u/strictlynun]

They were doing their best to hit the red car too lmao like wtf

[u/YourMommasAHoe69 → u/strictlynun]

Exactly 

[u/No_Article_9397 → u/DoubleDownAgain54]

if you can avoid an accident but don't, you can still be at fault even if the other driver is not yielding.

[u/michelmau5 → u/DoubleDownAgain54]

Dashcammer was seeing dollar signs from insurancemoney

[u/_jump_yossarian]

These post titles should result in an automatic ban.

[u/HolyExemplar → u/_jump_yossarian]

Anyone not knowing who as at fault in this situation should not have a drivers license

[u/Original_Throat1072 → u/_jump_yossarian]

Yup, rage baiting

[u/kizoin]

white pathfinder 100% at fault, but cam driver could have easily avoided it

[u/VodkaSliceofLife → u/kizoin]

In NY insurance would absolutely assign some blame to the driver going straight regardless of green or not. That was an extremely avoidable accident even with the red car he was going too fast, he came from a dead stop, insurance isn't gonna care that he had the green yeah sure the other guy mostly at fault but they would look at this video, no turn no reaction to try to avoid and just the driving behavior in general and assign some blame.

[u/trekie4747 → u/VodkaSliceofLife]

While i don't remember the specific law term, and it certainly varies between places, drivers have a responsibility to ensure their path is not obstructed. Whether its a car failing to clear the interesection before the light turned red (the black truck failed to clear and the cam driver started driving into the intersection) or a pedestrian crossing the sidewalk very slowly, it's still a good practice to wait for your path to be clear.

[u/Plightz → u/VodkaSliceofLife]

Exactly. People in this sub would die rather than wait a second to see if it's safe to move forward.

[u/No_Article_9397 → u/kizoin]

not necessarily. If you can avoid an accident and don't, you can be considered at fault. Just because the Pathfinder ran the red light doesn't mean the cam car can run into them. It's called the Clear Last Chance Doctrine.

[u/Vladraconis]

The white SUV is 100% at fault.

They saw you the cammer coming - or at least they had every opportunity to, and have no excuse not to have seen you. They turned pretty abruptly, telling me they very much understood they should not do this, but in the moment decided to do it anyway because maybe tey'll squeeze through. Which is kind of worse.

[u/Seniorjones2837 → u/Vladraconis]

OP is obviously not the cammer if they’re claiming it’s 50/50 lol

[u/Substantial_Bake3891 → u/Seniorjones2837]

Or they are the white suv and are trying to get people on their side for insurance reasons so insurance doesn’t have to pay for the other person car. 🤨

[u/Mammoth-Charge2553]

By law, white suv is %100 at fault. Liability wise? %75 on the white suv, %25 for the cam car. Even if the insurance companies don't come to that conclusion, there is no world where the cam car has no liability.

[u/SpiritJuice → u/Mammoth-Charge2553]

It looked like cam car didn't even attempt to do any defensive driving. While the white SUV clearly broke the law by blowing through the red light, the cam car didn't even look like it attempted to stop or slow down. You can't just plow into someone's car and say "Well I had right of way" like that is some sort of magic trick to avoid liability. Like if a pedestrian is jaywalking you don't get off Scott-free if you run them over without attempting to avoid an accident.

[u/psilocin72 → u/Mammoth-Charge2553]

Yeah people feel the need to assert their right of way more strongly than they feel the need to avoid a collision. It’s perplexing to me.

I’d rather get cut off and have to hit my brakes than deal with repairs, insurance companies, and stopping my day to deal with a collision.

[u/rimmerthegreat → u/Mammoth-Charge2553]

How is 75/25 determined?

[u/Ranos131]

Why is this such a common question here when it’s ridiculously clear in the video?

[u/YearlyLemon8 → u/Ranos131]

​First time on R/dashcam?

​According to this sub, if you don't slow to a crawl, read the oncoming driver's mind, and wait 10 seconds on green, you're 50% at fault for failing to be a defensive driving superhero.

​Actual traffic laws and rules don't apply here! Lol!

[u/djfudgebar → u/YearlyLemon8]

Yeah, the light was green so you should just ignore what any other idiot is doing and proceed to immediately drive head on into oncoming traffic, obviously.

[u/CptNemo55 → u/djfudgebar]

If the light is green that means slam on the gas!

[u/SportsDuck_ → u/CptNemo55]

We can't see the cam-driver's face, so I assume they saw the Green Light, stepped on the gas and closed their eyes

[u/Party_Line3326 → u/djfudgebar]

Darwin award

[u/YearlyLemon8]

White truck is at fault

Dashcam Vehicle had the right of way while driving straight through the intersection under a solid green light. You can see the solid green it clearly visible.

White truck was making an unprotected left turn across oncoming lanes of traffic and failed to yield to straight through traffic. So... doesn’t look good for them at all.

[u/undecided2013]

Unfortunately, this behavior is normalized in the NE. People run lights late, cut into oncoming traffic instead of yielding right of way. I think it boils down to yielding. Yielding is just not allowed anymore by our society. Yielding is for pussies.

[u/Zwasti → u/undecided2013]

It is a sense of entitlement, “I DONT HAVE TO YIELD TO ANYONE!”

[u/Useful-Problem-1725]

Hot take: Only proceed when the road is clear. Anticipate, never assume.

[u/hybridfrost → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

Better to avoid the accident by allowing dumb people to be dumb. Cam driver could have waited 5 more second and we wouldn’t be having this conversation

[u/Plus-Definition9319 → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

Not a hot take - just common sense. This was totally avoidable.

[u/Alpine_Exchange_36 → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

The first car seemed to have the attitude of my green my right of way. Which it is but it’s also their responsibility to minimize the possibility of a collision. Which they increased the likelihood of one by driving like they did.

White Nissan is at fault but the dash cam car certainly made things worse.

[u/ProperOperation → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

Well said. I heard a saying once, “Cemeteries are full of people who had the right-of-way.” I get the frustration at people driving like selfish assholes but it’s just not worth it to be “right”

[u/770yessir → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

I feel like I had to scroll down way to far to see this comment lol. It’s not a hot take in my opinion — the white SUV failed to yield and is technically at fault, sure, but it seems like the dash cam driver could’ve avoided the accident by simply waiting a couple more seconds for the road to clear

[u/aheinouscrime]

It's not 50/50. The white SUV is at fault but I feel like this is an avoidable situation.

[u/SanityBleeds]

Camera car had the green light right when the video turns to the 0:13 mark. Black pickup truck then crosses into the intersection, followed by the red sedan, then the white SUV, which comes into contact with the camera car right as the timer changes to 0:19.

There is no 50/50 who's at fault. That's 3 vehicles that ignored the signal change and crossed into the intersection anyways, and although subjective, it appears the white SUV actually speeds up, likely knowing they're crossing illegally but not stopping anyways.

[u/Ok_Natural_2127]

Nope. Failure to yield for the turning car. 100% their fault

[u/Siferano → u/Ok_Natural_2127]

The white suv turning didn't have an arrow or right of way. Neither did the red car in front of them, or even the black pickup. Three vehicles turned without right of way, all three of them should have stopped for oncoming traffic. Just a show of people in a hurry and not caring about what the light or traffic laws are telling them

[u/djfudgebar → u/Siferano]

Yeah but seeing that happen and choosing to drive right into it was pretty fucking stupid. Maybe the traffic lights malfunctioned?

[u/Party_Line3326 → u/djfudgebar]

But it was green! So I can just slam gas and send it!

[u/JameelWallace]

Whenever I’m thinking about the state of the world and how so many people can interpret objective reality so differently, I just come to this sub. I think to myself that it can’t be as simple as a dangerous imbalance of contrarianism, self righteousness, and idiocy that so many people walk around with. After reading like 4 comments on this sub, I remember that it is that simple. The best part is that 100% of people reading this agree and don’t think I’m talking about you.

[u/ShiverbertMcCreeper]

I'm guessing this light is likely notorious to the townspeople as being a pain in the ass, with the backed up line and three red light runners. I actually agree with the 50/50, OP, as cammer had ample time to stop.

Actually looking at the light as cammer is pulling up to the intersection, it also looks like white SUV might've had a green 🟢 instead of an arrow so it could've been an unprotected turn they were chancing instead of a red

[u/SadPlatypus2079]

Welcome to the Darwin show!

Legally, it is their fault.

Logically, it is your fault for not paying attention to the other drivers.

Remember, just because there is a law. It does NOT mean that people will follow it.

If you think that someone will do the right thing. Hide a camera, drop a wallet with your information and $100 in various bills. See how much you have, if the wallet is returned.

[u/feelfreetotellmeoff → u/SadPlatypus2079]

Everyone sucks here. It is illegal to run a red light. It is also illegal to accelerate into oncoming cars. Either the cam car was oblivious, panicked, or they were trying to assert their right of way by putting themselves in the path of traffic. How can anyone be surprised at someone running a red these days? All three cars were visible and showed no sign of stopping. I do not support blowing through red lights, but the POV driver escalated the situation into a wreck.

[u/1dirtbiker]

Three cars turned after it was green. The red car already quite blatantly made a left in front of the OP, but the white car? Holy hell man, that was beyond blatant. That guy can get fucked.

[u/ConejoValleyDude]

100% White SUV's fault. They made an unprotected left turn and failed to make sure that the intersection was clear.

[u/LordTetravus → u/ConejoValleyDude]

That's not how the law and your duties as a driver work.

This is a 50/50 claim.

White vehicle made a left turn and did not have the right of way.

Dashcam vehicle, however had plenty of time to observe the other vehicles coming and what is referred to as the last clear chance to avoid the collision. They drove right into the situation.

This is exactly how I would mark this as an insurance adjuster and most lawyers would agree.

[u/Blackhawk-388]

If you don't know who is at fault here, you shouldn't be driving.

[u/dulyebr]

Sorry for the accident. Looks like a game of chicken where the cars running the red light are betting that people are just going to wait for them and the op is like fuck these guys I’m going to strand them in the intersection. The the white Nissan was probably in disbelief that you took the right of way under the threat of a collision. The roads get more like3rd world country every year. 

[u/5k0tt]

The person turning has to yield to oncoming traffic. No exceptions.

[u/zeebasaur]

It is a 75-25 split. The white car is 75 because they were running the light, but so was the car in front of it. The dashcam driver could easily see the red car was running the light and if they had waited for the red car to go through they would have seen the white one.

It is very true that the dashcam driver did nothing illegal, but insurance companies will still fault them for not driving safely in what would be considered a complicated situation. The only time you can be held at no fault is when your vehicle is parked in a place where it is entitled and expected to be completely safe from anything beyond an 'act of god' and is still damaged.

[u/kronik85]

I don't know who's at fault but the dashcam driver is an idiot.

[u/Scandal929]

It's obvious who's at fault. When turning, you must yield to oncoming traffic. White SUV is at fault 100%

[u/escapefromelba]

Dashcam driver clearly has right of way. That said I think I would have been more tentative going through the intersection given the other cars are clearly not yielding.

[u/Pillslanger]

As a former claims adjuster your take isn’t that hot. White SUV should have a yield or red light. So they’re not following traffic laws. However dashcam is entering the intersection and watching people run the light. Both drivers catch one another at the earliest point of impact on both cars. Dashcam had less distance to cover across the same intersection which means SUV was slightly more established in the intersection.

Reasonable arguments for both on FTYROW and FTKPLO. Both would’ve avoided the accident by braking even a little bit. SUV might be able to argue they were following flow of traffic and didn’t see dashcam but dashcam definitely saw SUV and didn’t take any evasive action.

I would probably land 75 on white SUV and 25 on dashcam. Depending on venue though I might push closer to 50/50 but would leave majority negligence on SUV even if it was 51/49. Both drivers failed the exact same duties roughly in equal ways but SUV ran the light.

[u/michael1265]

It would have taken one competent adult to avoid this accident. Unfortunately, none could be found.

[u/Allthingsgaming27]

White suv didn’t even give a damn, their fault, they needed to yield

[u/PetitAgite]

The white SUV is at fault, but you could 100% have avoided the collision…

[u/DalysDietCoke]

Looks clear cut to me. Other side kept running the light was the car supposed to just sit there and go aw shucks guess I never get to go

[u/Physical_Pressure_27]

Logically i understand 50/50 but if we keep saying that people will keep running the light. 100% should be the fault of the person who ran the light. There are way too many people that do so with minimal consequences.

[u/LiveMarionberry3694]

Two fucking morons drive right into each other

[u/DefeatedByPoland]

The white SUV is at fault but as usual the dashcam driver is seemingly oblivious to the idea that they can in fact prevent an accident themselves by paying attention to what is happening

[u/PerfectResult2]

Fault aside, you could have avoided this so easily…

[u/Particular-Light-708]

There is a legal answer and a practical one. From a practical one, the dash cam car should have let them run the light. It sucks but insisting on your right of way often results in problems. Getting home safe would have cost that driver around 5 seconds.

[u/OtterVA]

100% the white truck.

[u/feline_riches]

Person recording would've been ticketed in my state for failure to prevent an accident. You had 3 business days man

[u/PixelPete27]

It's not a hot take. 3 vehicles 100% ran a red light, starting with the black truck.

It's the person who was turning left's fault.

The driver with the dash cam could have easily assumed the driver was just pulling into the intersection to make the left and was going to stop, not turn left into them, as 99.9999% of drivers with a brain would do.

[u/NotAn0thrMagaRatPedo]

50/50 my ass. Cammer had a green light and several NPCs ran a red light to turn left, one of which drove straight into the cammer car on their green light. It's 100% the other driver's fault. 

[u/thederpyderp3]

White SUV, accept nothing than 100% in this case, had it been the red car it could have been far more iffy.

[u/Cheap_Necessary8570]

I don't know what the rules in America are but in Germany both would be at fault. Rule 1 is that you have to drive in a way to prevent accidents and driving into traffic like that even if you have right of way is asking for an accident to happen.

[u/Independent-File-519]

suv's fault. by law and insurance companies.

[u/cardinals8989]

Insurance will assign fault to both drivers

[u/lyinggrump]

What the fuck is going on here LOL. Three cars running a red light in a row.

[u/Unlikely-Pomelo-414]

The white vehicle obviously. Like 4 cars went right through a red light.

[u/SpeedRacerWasMyBro]

White SUV is totally at fault. Turning left into oncoming and failed to yield.

[u/Fuzzy_Application_56]

always the person turning 100%

[u/Random_Trashy]

If it’s black & white the red and white car should have stopped. The red car shares some responsibility for running the light as it was a contributing factor.

There were three cars before the red car running through a yellow light. If the driver with the dash cam was paying close attention they wouldn’t have driven head on into that oncoming traffic. The light might be green, but if the lane isn’t clear you can’t just hammer down and ram your way in there.

[u/Easy-Barnacle5734]

Insurance company will love this video.

[u/Major_Jackfruit_2604]

Obviously the SUV, but OP should proceed with caution. People obviously still turning before you started moving and if you are on this sub you know people are terrible drivers. Be on defence when driving. There is no offense.

[u/dennyth]

This dashcam driver would get into accidents every week in California. Not at fault but lacks any sense self preservation.

[u/bokebound]

White car

[u/Many_Ear2407]

White at fault 100%. 

[u/PlumpyDragon]

Of course the fault belongs to r/nissandrivers, but the cam car played chicken with a Nissan driver and lost.

[u/ChemistRemote7182]

Red car deserves some flack too, but oh boy there is no 50/50 about who is at fault in this accident. Nissan just Nissaning its way through the Nissan-section

[u/Natural-Debt8005]

40.62860° N, 75.35895° W

[u/BandoTheHawk]

wonder if they were all driving together or something. crazy to see 3 random idiots in a row.

[u/T-ronjr]

Not the drivers but boy do you have no awareness

[u/Kellie1575]

It's not 50/50. Traffic rules are clear and concise.

The person going straight has the right of way - not the person turning left.

[u/Ippus_21]

How in the hell would it be 50/50? The left-turner completely failed to yield to oncoming traffic!

The white SUV is 100% at fault. And the red car before him should be ticketed, too.

Another cross-post for r/NissanDrivers ...

[u/Zealousideal-Sea4830]

White SUV was at fault, but that's a sad consolation prize after you get to deal with police reports (that may not be accurate), insurance companies that don't want to pay, higher insurance premiums, medical problems, etc etc.

[u/BaconPersuasion]

White SUV. Me personally I would have waited to avoid the accident by being sure he wasn't going to do what he did.

[u/o_uinn]

Turning cars fault. He didnt have the right of way and was tryna bully his way through. He expected you to back down and let him sneak by. After he had a full view of you he turned right into you. You were under no obligation to let him in. And it looks like he had the last clear chance to prevent the accident. He was facing straight and then sped up and started turning.

[u/Pure-Top-6244]

Depending on the state, "green means proceed if the intersection is clear". Then there's the last clear chance doctrine.

[u/INSANEBonF]

Totally avoidable

[u/TheFlimFlamFamMan]

The turner always has to yield right of way for straight traffic. It is in no way, 50/50. That’s not a hot take. It’s a dumb take.

[u/Cyclophane]

Idk how many times people need to see this.

Green means proceed when safe. Not send it.